Talk:Death flights

Scilingo

The references say that Scilingo recanted his confession, but I'm not sure whether he recanted the statement that death flights took place or just recanted the statement of his own guilt. In either case, this information should be in the article. - AdelaMae ^{(t - c - wpn)} 23:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Reason

What I miss in this article is the actual REASON WHY they took the effort (and cost) to execute people by throwing them out of planes? I'm quite sure lots of bodies would also turn up afterwards? As stated in the article, other prisoners were simply shot and burned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.101.174.74 (talk) 14:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The reason is quite inflamatory, I don't know how to phrase it to avoid a flame/edit war. Here's the original quote from Scilingo: "[...] Explicó que en la Armada no se fusilarían subversivos ya que no se quería tener los problemas sufridos por Franco en España y Pinochet en Chile. Tampoco se "podía ir contra el Papa" pero se consultó a la jerarquía eclesiástica y se adoptó un método que la Iglesia consideraba cristiano, o sea gente que despega en un vuelo y no llega a destino. Ante las dudas de algunos marinos, se aclaró que "se tiraría a los subversivos en pleno vuelo". Después de los vuelos, los capellanes nos trataban de consolar recordando un precepto bíblico que habla de "separar la hierba mala del trigal"." That is, the higher ups from the Argentinian Church itself recommended this method, as it was seen as more 'Christian'. 125.71.229.77 (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

This is not 'the' reason. It is just one claim, among several. In fact, the Church-based justification seems to have been an ad-hoc way of getting the Christians carrying it out to feel better about themselves. Other, more likely and commonly state reasons: over-crowded detention facilities and limited resources to create new ones (especially given international attention), a more effective way of 'disappearing' the dead, historical lessons - this happened in Algeria by the French, and French soldiers were heavily involved in training Latin American forces. On the return of bodies to the shore: it appears this did happen, at first - or, rather, they actually washed up outside Argentine waters most frequently. Apparently the Navy then made certain 'studies' of the currents in the ocean to determine the 'best' place to dump the bodies to ensure they would not float back to shore. 2.111.56.154 (talk) 11:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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Mention of extraordinary rendition

Extraordinary Rendition is extra-judicial & uses planes - but it has nothing to do with death flights as it lacks the "death" part. Death flights are a form of execution - hence Extraordinary Rendition has no place here since, even if it sometimes results in death in detention, isn't a form of execution.

As a result, I deleted the section mentioning Extraordinary Rendition - but my edit got reverted... What do you think ? --Jean-Marc Liotier (talk) 14:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

The original edit of this, I agree, is quite poorly done. However, if you read the article that is cited, then it is clear that there is a reason this is being discussed. The claim is not that 'death flights' are identical to 'extraordinary rendition' but that there are quite a lot of similarities in terms of the political structures that see them happen. The article argues, in fact, that the Death Flights were not necessarily a form of execution but more a logistical matter. Now, I don't know if I agree with that. But it seems to me that it provides a different historical and sociological perspective on the issue. However, as it is currently written it does not explain this properly. I thus propose that I rewrite it to make the connection clearer to the reader? Best. 2A02:1205:C69A:A50:FC26:9D95:2922:676F (talk) 18:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

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