Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales

We cannot use tabloids for budget claims

The alleged budget given here came from a notorious tabloid, the Daily Mail, which is barely an RS for most news claims and is certainly not RS for movie-industry trade claims. The cited article didn't even originate the claim but cited another tabloid, Australia's The Daily Telegraph — also not RS for movie-industry trade claims. An ENCYCLOPEDIA needs better than tabloid sourcing. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Please don't change the budget. Pirates 5 cost $230 milion. No $320 milion Travatar91 (talk) 21:49, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Didn't realize the Daily Mail was also banned as RS on wikipedia. I am adding back in the range, however (per the infobox rules), as the SF Chronicle, Consequence of Sound, Stuff.co.nz, and cinemablend all reported the same budget.Foodles42 (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

No the budget of this movies is only $230 milion. Stop to chance this please. Deadline confirms that the budget of this movie is only $230 milion. $320 milion is fake news from a tabloid newspaper. Travatar91 (talk) 21:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

I gave multiple RS sources that are not the tabloid. You, however, seem like a sock puppet for Carlos Galanti. You have had multiple accounts blocked on wikipedia, as your writing gives you away. Foodles42 (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

The Budget is $230 milion. Travatar91 (talk) 07:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Stop making edits that have multiple RS. The infobox rules for film clearly state that if multiple sources give a budget range, then the entire range is to be included, not just the number you want. You are using a sock puppet account. Revert again and I will report you. Foodles42 (talk) 19:17, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Stop making edit Please. The $230 milion is officially confirms by The Numbers and Box Office Mojo. Tony Strak (talk) 00:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

The budget is $230 milion. The $320 milion is the presunte budget of notorious tabloid Daily Maili that Wikipedia bands as realiable source. The $320 milion was made by Daily Mail in 2015 and the other newspaper reported the budget of $320 milion thinking that The budget was true. Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

[}Betty Logan]] Please change the budget. Wikipedia lost is credibility. Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 11:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Betty Logan Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 11:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

In Febrary of 2017 Wikipedia bandish Daily Mail a realiable source. Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 11:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Jacopo Alighieri is another sock puppet for Carlo Galanti. Foodles42 (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

No bro. Stop Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 20:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

You have already been reported. Cut it out Carlo. Foodles42 (talk) 21:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

You have already been reported. Cut it out Foodles42. Fuck You. Tommaso Jassesns (talk) 08:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Devil's Triangle

I notice in the Plot description that "Devil's Triangle" is linked to the Bermuda Triangle. I don't believe that "Devil's Triangle" in the movie references the Bermuda Triangle; but rather that cave thing. Applejuicefool (talk) 16:10, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Paul McCartney is … "Jib" ?

Uhhhh … someone not see the movie , when writing the synopsis? I know , previously his role was kept under wraps , then rumored to be "Poseidon , "Guard #2" , "Jailer #2" , etc. But , "Jib"? Any source for that one? He is in fact "Uncle Jack" , seen in the jail Jack Sparrow gets put in. ( They even drove the message home by having him singing "Maggie Mae" , a traditional song , re-arranged by The Beatles , and heard on the "Let It Be" album. ). Posted here , since I can't edit the body of the article. 75.104.163.77 (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Budget

The Budget of this movie is only $230 milion. No $320 milion. This was confirmed by Hollywood Reporter, Box Office Mojo and Rotten Tomatoes Tony Strak (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

The budget is only $230 milion Luke Firth (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

The budget of this movie is only $230 milion. Please stop to change Jacopo Alighieri (talk) 21:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is Fake News Thomas Obama (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Remove Spoiler

It might be an idea to remove the ‘(née Barbossa)’ from after Carina Smyth’s name. It makes one of the film’s twists obvious.

Opinions? Jcvamp (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adamstom.97 (talk · contribs) 04:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll take this for a review, a quick skim makes me think that there may be a bit of work before I can pass it. I'll try get to the review soon. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay, so there is definitely some work to be done here. The first thing that I would recommend you do is request someone from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors to give the article a full copy edit. Particular issues there include an overuse of dates in the production section, repeated information in places, and some quotes throughout the article that could easily be paraphrased and cut-down. Once a full copy edit has taken place, I can be more specific about issues to do with the writing of the article that I think need to be dealt with. While the article is on hold, you should also make sure all references are filled out, and it is especially important that they each have archives. Let me know when you are ready for me to have another look over this, though be warned that if it takes too long for you to respond to these issues then it will be likely that the review will be failed. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

A Guild copyeditor and myself have cleaned much of the article, think it needs more work before continuing your review? igordebraga ≠ 21:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I am finding this one to be a struggle. It just isn't up to the standard I would expect from a Good Article. I'll give you some specific points to deal with, and you can keep working on the general writing as you go through my problems, but I can't promise that taking care of this list will get the article to where it needs to be.

Lead

• The alternate title was not used everywhere outside of the US, so I find the opening parenthetical misleading.
• The lead is not the place to list all of the characters in the film (if any were to be noted at all, it should probably just be Jack Sparrow). You should also base the cast listing on the poster (as a neutral decider of who is important), and keep this list consistent for the infobox and cast list.
• There should not be references in the lead. If it isn't already sourced in the body, then it shouldn't really be in the lead to begin with.
• We don't need to list the formats of release here.
• The whole line about release 10 years after the third film is irrelevant trivia.

Plot

• The summary is too long, it needs to be less than 700 words per MOS:FILM.

Cast and characters

• I would prefer that this section be just a 'Cast' section, as there isn't really a need for too much character detail in this section which should otherwise be simply plot information. Try to cut down each paragraph accordingly, and focus on the real world details.
• For better readability of the actual list, I would suggest use of {{Cast list break}}.
• Again, make sure the cast list is according to the poster.
• Carina is never said to be formally called Barbosa, just that he is her father, so "(née Barbossa)" should be removed.
• I think the images are putting too much weight on characters who aren't actually the main characters of the film. I think just having Depp and Rush as main returning actors would be fine, or just having Bloom and Knightley as special returning actors, but all four is a bit much.

Production

• Still a lot of c/e issues in this section. You bring up Depp without ever mentioning how he is relevant or who he plays (the production section should really be able to standalone). Also,
• Verbinski directed more than just the third film, which becomes important later.
• "and confirmed that they were working on the film" makes no sense in this context as it already appears to have been confirmed.
• "The film was postponed until Disney felt secure to greenlight it" is redundant.
• "Rønning and Sandberg had been chosen to direct..." this paragraph should go with them signing on.
• "As with the fourth film, Depp was involved in scripting and planning Dead Men Tell No Tales." redundant.
• You don't need to say "via Twitter".
• Little paragraphs in the casting and filming sections can be combined with others.
• Remove fluffy lines like "sailed into the Gold Coast" and "greenscreens were so tall they blocked sunlight ... added to the set to allow light to creep in". These can be worded in a more professional way, I'm sure.
• The music and post-production sections should be expanded if possible, especially the post-production section. There is a lot to a film's post-production, and stuff like information on the visual effects are often readily available online. This should be as extensive as the filming section, if not more so.

Reception

• This section is generally reasonable, but the box office subsection is way too much. It needs to be drastically cut down and c/e'd.

Let me know how you go with this. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Igordebraga Any update on how this is going? I have given you quite a bit of time to get this sorted. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Think I did most of what you asked, and am now trying to figure a second look taken by the one sent by the Copyeditor Guild. Can you check it? igordebraga ≠ 00:12, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

You have addressed some of my concerns, but not all of them, and have frankly just taken too long. The article just isn't ready for GA status yet. I am going to fail this review, and leave you to try and improve the article some more. Have a look over my notes above, you haven't got them all yet. Also continue the work of c/e the article, the more you go over it the more you will find basic errors that require fixing. Once you think you have significantly improved the article, give it another nom and someone will give it a second review. Good luck! - adamstom97 (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

February 2018 copy edit

@Igordebraga: I've finished my first pass through the article. It needs additional work but I have to take a break. Some notes:

• At no point in the article did it say what the curse on Will Turner was, which seems fairly important as a motivating force for the characters. It also leaves the first sentence of the Plot unclear.
• Salazar captures Henry and possesses his body, chasing Jack and the others across the ocean floor and seizes the Trident, freeing Henry. I'm not too clear on the last half of this sentence. Does Salazar, using Henry's possessed body, seize the Trident and the contact of touching the Trident breaks the possession?
• Would it make more sense to reframe the Cast section as a Characters section, to look at Sparrow as portrayed by both Depp and De La Torre? I feel it's good as-is, just considering the option.
• It might be worth considering if the Cast/Character section should precede the Plot section, because of all the character backstory which might aid the reader's understanding of the plot.
• Is there a reason that the vertical strip of actor images is in the Development section? (It should probably either be in Cast or Casting.)
• The statement in the Development section by Bloom about the directors seems to be from after the film was completed so I'm not sure it belongs in that section.
• There are some wikicode comments regarding the Nathanson script, asking for clarification on whether it was a new script or a rewrite.
• Are the figures in the first paragraph of Filming in US dollars or Australian dollars?
• Is The Whitsundays, Queensland the same thing as Whitsundays?
• which opened last year and good word of mouth—it has a score of 7.5/10 on reviews aggregator Douban, and 8.7/10 on top mobile ticketing platform Weying. I feel this bit about Shanghai Disneyland Park is getting a bit off-topic and could probably be removed. It's linked if readers wants more information.

Please give me a {{ping}} if you have any questions or comments. Thanks! – Reidgreg (talk) 23:15, 16 February 2018 (UTC). I did a little more copy edit. I'm afraid I'd be a heavy-handed with cuts to the Casting and Box office sections, so didn't make a lot of changes there. I think I have to step back at this point, but will try to be available for any concerns. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: can you take another look, specially given what the GA reviewer asked? Thanks. igordebraga ≠ 04:01, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

I've done just a little bit, will try to return to it tomorrow. For the plot, the easiest and simplest thing would be to cut the last paragraph, the post-credit scene – which I'm never sure if it's really part of the movie. That would save 90 words and should get at or close to 700 words. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:49, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Trimmed some material from the Box office section but it might still be too much. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:32, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Here are some possible cuts I noticed for the Casting section but I'm not especially comfortable with making these cuts myself:

• He said that Barbossa's megalomania "could explode in horrific ways". This shows his enthusiasm for the project, I suppose, but I'm not sure it's essential to his casting.
• Cruz would state that she would most likely not reprise her role of Angelica because the studio had not approached her. I don't like listing things that didn't happen. If this is important, if her appearance was expected or her non-inclusion was controversial, then that should be stated to say why it's important she wasn't part of the cast. If there's no particular reason, though, then it might not be worth including.
• In mid-January 2015, he stated that he was to travel to Australia for the film in February, disclosing that his role was indeed that of Will Turner's son, struggling to break a curse to meet his father. This starts to repeat material stated elsewhere (Plot, Filming).
• In earlier drafts of the script the name Carina Smyth appeared as Barbossa's daughter, a love interest of Sparrow's and an astronomer accused of being a witch.[72] Scodelario confirmed that the character was an astronomer and that "she's a totally different character" to Elizabeth Swann, and also confirmed that Smyth will be Henry's love interest instead of Jack's. I think the middle part of that could be deleted, it's stated elsewhere. The part about the character's love interest being changed from Jack to Henry, unless you can say that was affected by her casting in the role, I feel that might fit better with the rest of the character information in the Cast section.

Hope that helps – Reidgreg (talk) 21:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2018

Change Mixed reviews to negative reviews in critical response section and lead. Therealhuman21 (talk) 23:20, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:23, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Here you go.https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/pirates-caribbean-dead-men-tell-no-tales-reviews-critics-rating-pirates-5-1006319Therealhuman21 (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

9 March 2018

95.93.160.191 (talk) 19:27, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

It is unclear what you want done since you did not make an actual request. MarnetteD|Talk 20:34, 9 March 2018 (UTC)