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Welcome, new GOCE Coordinator![edit]

Thank you for being willing to serve as a Coordinator for the Guild of Copy Editors! Your contributions have already been valuable, and I look forward to more goodness.

You are welcome to place Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Userbox on your user page, if that is the sort of thing you are into.

Please remember that, as the main Coordinators page states, we are "responsible for maintaining the Guild's internal structure and processes. [We] do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers." We operate by (sometimes presumed) consensus and do our best to check in with one another before taking an action that another coordinator might reasonably revert. I think you'll fit right in.

Please take a look at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators/Task list, which I try to keep tidy. You are always welcome to jump in and do any of those tasks. Thanks again for being willing to serve. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: thanks for the welcome! The only coordinatorish thing on my plate are the newsletters. The 2016 is ready in substance but needs some tweaking (choice of alternative text, tables, and balancing the whitespace – I had some trouble arranging the tables and charts, possibly an interaction with the style sheet). I hope you're okay with my numbers. The 2017 newsletter should fill-in quickly when the last requests from 2017 are completed. I suggest waiting until then and sending a mass-mailing notification link for both of them at the same time. (If I'm still around in a couple years, I'm sure I'll do a first-decade report with charts galore.) – Reidgreg (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
I was thinking along the same lines: that we should send 2016 and 2017 at the same time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:16, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

For help when needed.[edit]

The Guidance Barnstar The Guidence Barnstar
Dear Reidgreg, Face-smile.svg
Thank you very much for your polite, prompt, detailed and uncondescending assistance proffered to a brash newbie. It is much appreciated. I strongly suspect that I am far from the first to receive this unassuming support. It helps make Wikipedia the kind of place that people want to come back to.
With kind regards
Simon
Gog the Mild (talk) 13:46, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: thanks for the barnstar and the kind words! I'm a brash newcomer as a Guild Coordinator and it's nice to get recognition for helping someone only a few days after taking office. I don't mind taking a little time to help someone who's making an effort, and I'm sure any investment in aid and encouragement will payoff many times over through your contributions. Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

You may live to regret it. You are now my go to person for help with Wiki-problems of all sorts. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Continuous assessment article[edit]

Hi. I am about to make some drastic changes to this, so I thought it best to run them past someone more experienced that me. You may want to undo some or all of them and/or advise me on a different approach. Background: I am a retired college principal with a lot of experience of continuous assessment. Both at national development level in the UK and at delivery level. I could probably write a passable, if unreferenced article on it off the top of my head. (He wrote immodestly.) This article started as a harmless stub, then Jaminem made their one and only edit "here". It is rambling, opinionated, unreferenced, often off topic tosh. The only way I can see of saving what should be a moderately important topic is to delete it entirely. Obviously with an explanation on the talk page. So I am going to; but if I am getting in a bit deep, feel free to drag me out. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild: Yes, revert it. I ran it through Earwig (see here) and parts are in copyright violation. You can put COPYVIO in the edit summary of your revert, after the auto-generated revert details.
WP:COPYVIO is a likely suspect when an editor makes a single large and unsourced contribution to an article. You might want to note the sources from the Earwig search, though, in case you want to use them to properly expand the article (citing them to avoid plagiarism and paraphrasing to avoid copyright violation).
Reverting such a large part of an article can be scary, but sometimes it's easier to start over from scratch. It's also perfectly within the Bold, Revert, Discuss practice of editing. Generally, it's better to revert, which gives the other editor a notification, than to sneakily remove the material with a regular edit.
As you are knowledgeable on the subject and it interests you, I hope you will give the article a little attention to expand and cite it, though maybe it should be moved to the draft space since it's not really article-ready. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
P.S.: The deletion discussion of the article noticed the copy&paste but surprisingly didn't deal with it or tag the article. The discussion does link some sources, though, if you're interested in expanding it. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. I didn't want to do a 'I've got a GOCE badge, I'm going to gut your article'. I appreciate the reassurance that even this level of boldness may on occasion be appropriate. I have chopped it down to size, saving what I could - not a lot - and putting "citation needed" everywhere. Given the inactivity of this one shot, drive by editor I am not concerned about notification; but I take your general point.
Er, no. I retired to escape all of that; I edit for fun. Anyway, all of my sources are back at the college. But I will keep eye on it and offer advice if it seems appropriate.
I am working on a new article, but it is something which actually interests me. I'll get back to it once this drive is over. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Suppressing glossary term links[edit]

Copied from SMcCandlish (talk · contribs)'s talk page

I'm converting a glossary to templates and was wondering if you knew a way to suppress the anchor links made by {{term}}? The glossary has 370 terms but about 50 of them are alternate names. I'd like those alternate names to have anchor links at the main term where the definition is, so the reader won't have to jump up and down in the glossary. Do you know if this is possible or if there's a workaround to achieve this? Would appreciate any advice. Thanks. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

@Reidgreg: If I understand this correctly, you want to have something like (if I may template the crap out of this, for cross-references and hatnotes):
{{term|foo|noid=yes}}
{{defn|1={{crossref|selfref=no|See {{gli|phu}}.}}}}
...
{{term|phu|content={{anchor|foo}}phu}}
{{defn|1={{ghat|Also ''foo''.}} Definition here.}}
Where noid is a presently non-existent parameter for anchor ID suppression? I.e., such that the anchor for foo goes to the phu entry?  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  18:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Test block of existing code options:

Pure templates Templates and HTML Templates and wikimarkup
foo
See phu.
phu

Also foo.

Definition here.
foo2
See phu2.
phu2

Also foo2.

Definition here.
foo3
See phu3.
phu

Also foo3.

Definition here.
FAIL: duplicate IDs. WORKS: IDs both
only in phu entry.
FAIL: indented term
(the ; causes
generation of <dl>
even though one's
already there).

 — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  18:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

So, looks like the middle option works, using <dt>...</dt> instead of {{Term}}, for the foo entry. I could also hack the {{Term}} template to have an option for suppressing the ID. However, I don't really see the point of this. Why not just link directly to the phu entry? I don't know what {{Glossary link}} custom template you are or will be using (i.e., your equivalent of {{Cuegloss}}). Supposing it were {{Quuxgloss}}, you could just do: {{quuxgloss|phu|foo}}.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  18:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

PS: Not doing it the {{quuxgloss|phu|foo}} way will also produce incorrect hover text; when you mouse over it, the tooltip will say "See entry at Glossary of quux terms § foo" but will actually take you to the phu entry which may be confusing to readers even with {{ghat|Also ''foo''.}} as a hatnote in the phu entry.  — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ<  19:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Punto music[edit]

Hi Reidgreg, I reverted your edits, on Punto music. You basically halfed the article, when several editors have commented it a actual reflection of the Punto music. On the morrow.. scope_creep (talk) 00:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Moving this to Talk:Punto music for other interested parties. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

January 2018 GOCE barnstars[edit]

Most Excellent Order of Star Scribes.png The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 27 articles during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 4th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 80,271 total words during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 9 long articles during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 27 old articles during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 22,305 words – during the GOCE January 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy-editing at least one individual article of more than 10,000 words during the most recent Guild of Copy Editors' Drive or Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@Tdslk: thanks for the awards. However, I did not earn the last one. I don't know if this has ever been earned on a drive because 10k articles tend to get leaderboard awards instead. (See: the drive awards where it notes: An editor who copy edits an individual article of more than 10,000 words that does not make it to the leaderboard in the "my longest article" category will receive The 10k Copy Edit Barnstar.) All five editors who did 10k articles received leaderboard awards. After those five editors, the next-biggest article was 6.500 words, so nobody earned a 10k Award. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:25, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
My bad. I don't think rescinding them now is worth it, so enjoy your extra star! Tdslk (talk) 15:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Tdslk: No take backs! (laughs) – Reidgreg (talk) 18:17, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Talk:David Meade (author)[edit]

I replied to you there. LovelyGirl7 talk 04:55, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

February 2018 blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 20,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE February 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 17:03, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

GOCE February 2018 news[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors February 2018 News
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Welcome to the February 2018 GOCE newsletter in which you will find Guild updates since the December edition. We got to a great start for the year, holding the backlog at nine months. 100 requests were submitted in the first 6 weeks of the year and were swiftly handled with an average completion time of 9 days.

Coordinator elections: In December, coordinators for the first half of 2018 were elected. Jonesey95 remained as lead coordinator and Corrine, Miniapolis and Tdslk as assistant coordinators. Keira1996 stepped down as assistant coordinator and was replaced by Reidgreg. Thanks to all who participated!

End of year reports were prepared for 2016 and 2017, providing a detailed look at the Guild's long-term progress.

January drive: We set out to remove April, May, and June 2017 from our backlog and all December 2017 Requests (a total of 275 articles). As with previous years, the January drive was an outstanding success and by the end of the month all but 57 of these articles were cleared. Officially, of the 38 who signed up, 21 editors recorded 259 copy edits (490,256 words).

February blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 11 through 17 February, focusing on Requests and the last articles tagged in May 2017. At the end of the week there were only 14 pending requests, with none older than 20 days. Of the 11 who signed up, 10 editors completed 35 copy edits (98,538 words).

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Corinne, Tdslk, and Reidgreg.

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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CCAs page[edit]

Earlier conversation from User talk:Sifr4:

Thanks for updating the article Canadian Comedy Awards. I've been trying to put together sources to update and standardize the article, but I'm honestly a bit confused about the status of the Awards over the last couple years and whether canadiancomedy.ca or canadiancomedyawards.org is the official site. It'd help me a great deal if you could direct me to any reliable secondary sources on the subject, such as industry publications. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Reidgreg, thanks for contacting me and for the offer of help. The CCAs went through a transition period in the past few years as control over the trademark reverted from a licensee back to the trademark holder. The official site is canadiancomedyawards.org. The old domain - canadiancomedy.ca - was left with the previous licensee who allowed the domain registration to expire. The company that then poached the domain (presumably also the domain host) decided to leave the content up on it. I am in the midst of trying to get them to remove that content since they are infringing on the trademark. I don't have any sources at all for this change. There are no industry publications for the comedy industry in Canada and I know of no publications that provide news on domain name changes or instances of trademarks reverted back from licensee to trademark holders.

I will add a conflict of interest declaration to my user talk page so everything is above-board and nobody thinks I'm being sneaky. Thanks for the advice. sifr4 (talk) 19:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Laff-a-Lympics[edit]

Hi! I really appreciate your copyediting efforts on the Laff-a-Lympics article. However, I'm a bit confused where you got the titles "Alaska and Tahiti" and "The Old West and Holland" in this edit. I have not seen any sources which call the episodes that, and I've seen both of those episodes and neither of them take place in those (first) locations. Thanks, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 23:14, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

@KatnissEverdeen: thanks for checking. I really should have made a note on the article talk page. I don't think I actually changed those in my edits, though I did notice the differences and probably should have investigated further. I know reference 10 for the DVD set lists the episodes as North Pole/ Tahiti and Arizona/ Holland, and had those titles in that table (though now that I look at it, those should all be in double quotes instead of italics – rookie mistake, now fixed). I'm not sure if the slash is part of the title and slashes are generally to be avoided (MOS:SLASH) so I left them broken as two segments (e.g.: "North Pole" and "Tahiti"). I'd left the titles in the episode listing alone, though the entire section is unsourced. Sorry, I'm not great at checking sources and mostly do cleanup. Please feel free to change those. – Reidgreg (talk) 07:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC) P.S.: Oh, sorry, the comments I'd left were my way of sorting out the differences between the episode listing and the DVD listing, trying to keep it straight while I was going back and forth. I didn't have a source for that, I was just listing what was elsewhere in the article. I really should have taken it to the talk page. Thanks for catching this! – Reidgreg (talk) 07:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the response! I've gone ahead and removed the two alternate titles, as I can't find anywhere that lists them so I'm guessing they are likely fake. Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 15:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Marine Le Pen[edit]

Please look at this and then the most recent edit summary. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Jonesey95 and Miniapolis: Ah, my bad. I commented-out the copy edit tag while I was working on this last November and must have forgotten to remove it altogether when I finished (another editor subsequently removing the comments). Sorry that I left you guys to deal with this. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Jonesey95, I removed the {{Copy edit}} tag because IMO it's currently too unstable for a copyedit; I left {{GOCEreviewed}} on the talk page with an explanation. When it settles down (if it's re-tagged), someone else can do it; I know my limits :-). All the best, Miniapolis 13:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. It looked unusual to me, but I was running out to an IRL thing and couldn't investigate further. Sorry for the curt post. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
No, that's fine. You linked and everything. I'd tried to check on it earlier but my darned Internet connection flaked out just after I'd noticed it. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:10, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

March 2018[edit]

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March 2018 drive bling[edit]

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This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 27 articles during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 67,551 total words during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 6 long articles during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 27 old articles during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 15,504 words – during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

A Question[edit]

Hi Reidgreg:

How on earth did you find these - Marlins Man and Pierre Coupey?? Are you following me around? :) Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: I was unavoidably offline for a few days, and while I was catching up on coordinator duties I checked for any abandoned copy edits from the drive, and was very pleased to see that you (and a couple others) had already tended to them. Thanks again! – Reidgreg (talk) 19:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I hope you realize that was a "smile" after my question - I'm not complaining. Power has been on and off all afternoon here. A real pain. When the seven day deletion notice expires for Marlins Man, do you know the procedure for actually deleting the article? I've never been faced with doing it. I assume you agree the article has no place on WP? Let me know when you get a chance. Thanks, and cheers. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I totally missed the smiley – juggling a few other things, per usual. Notability is about checking sources and I'm terrible at that. I vaguely remember nominating some obsolete templates for deletion, which I assume went through without controversy. Whatever the procedure, I'm sure a third party (ie: someone other than the nominator or the article creator) has to close the process and perform the actual deletion. BTW: nice that 4 of us each got 2 gold stars on the March drive! – Reidgreg (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi: Thanks for this. I'll poke around in the nether regions of WP to determine by whom/and how an article is deleted. It was indeed unusual to have four editors with two gold stars. The longest article award was interesting (smiley). I didn't remember seeing Children in the Military on the June->August 2017 lists. Were you aware it was tagged for c/e on March 12, 2018? The drive instructions are a little fuzzy. It says "focus on" and later it says: "You will receive a bonus score of 50% over the article's word count for articles that were tagged with "copy edit" in June, July and August 2017, and for articles listed on the Requests page." This implies to me that any article can be listed by drive participants, but if it's not in the target month range it won't get a 50% bonus. Am I reading this right? If so, perhaps the instructions can be fine tuned. Just a thought. It doesn't really matter since any article that is copy edited is a good thing, and that article needed a massive amount of work.Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:22, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
@Twofingered Typist: I think you've got that right. (The editor who copy edited that article is doing a lot of military articles while working on WP:Milhist contests, so he's more interested in subject overlap than the 50% bonus.) At some point in the not-too-distant future, we'll hopefully have the backlog so short that there won't be a need for "oldest months" and the instructions can be simplified. We went over the instructions a few months ago and tried to keep it concise rather than addressing every outlier situation; I'll try to get a look at that when I have a better connection, a little flakey at the moment. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks; fixed! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you![edit]

Bubble Tea.png For copy editing on Draft:Raino Parvat as per my request. Enjoy this bubble tea. Thank you very much. :) Gazal world (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 20,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 15:46, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hey Reidgreg, thanks again for your help with the Canadian Comedy Awards page a few months ago. And congrats on all your Barnstar awards! We just announced our nominees in the 18th CCAs and I was wondering when might be a good time to make additions to that page. If your offer of help is still available. sifr4 (talk) 00:29, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
@Sifr4: My apologies, Simon! I'd set this aside and have been working on a time-sensitive article. I feel the main issue is that you don't want to use Wikipedia to self-publish or promote. If you can send a nice media release to press outlets and get them to cover it, then you're golden. At that point we can summarize what those reliable secondary sources say. It's probably okay to cite the CCA website for a full list of nominees, but not anything that's subjective or promotional. I will try to get back to this in a week or so. In the meantime, please feel free to ask me anything here or on the CCA article talk page, and link any web sources you've come across. Thanks for bringing this back to my attention! – Reidgreg (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 MILHIST Backlog Drive[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Danzig Street shooting[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Danzig Street shooting[edit]

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Please don't jump the maintenance queue[edit]

Hi Reidgreg. I saw your edit summary [1], but don't know what it means. Could you explain? --Ronz (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz: Ah, sorry for the confusion. The {{copy edit}} maintenance tag you added to the article was dated February 2017. I'm guessing you were following the problem noted with the {{peacock}} tag that had the same date. However, the Guild of Copy Editors has been steadily working at the articles with the copy edit tag and we've cleared everything older than September 2017. So when you set one with month before that, it recreated the maintenance category for that month. It's a very minor wrench in the works, but it throws some of our automated progress trackers askew. A lot of editors and WikiProjects that deal with cleanup tags handle them in chronological order, so when one is placed before the others it looks like queue-jumping (or budding in line). It's generally better to use the month the tag was placed, which also helps editors find it in the page history. I hope that explains it. I think I understand what you were doing and that you meant well. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:05, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I had just discovered the article and noticed that the tag was removed without comment or related changes, so I restored it. Sorry to have caused problems in doing so. --Ronz (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I suppose I should have gone back to February 2017 in the page history to check, but I felt the article had other issues and copy editing would have been a wasted effort until broader issues were dealt with. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:31, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
Not a problem. I looked over the older versions as well. It needs a rewrite from far better sources. I'd be surprised if the SPA accounts work on it further, and expect this is a COI situation for them. --Ronz (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Danzig Street shooting[edit]

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Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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Fixed Reidgreg (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

>>>Edits to Bruce McArthur[edit]

This section was created in response to a post at User talk:Kelisi#Edits to Bruce McArthur. That post is reproduced here:

Thank-you very much for your recent edits to Bruce McArthur! I have comments on a few of your choices. BTW, I'd wanted to avoid being overly formal with the language and was trying to stick with plain English for the average reader.

  • strangling → throttling. I feel that strangling might be an easier word for most readers.
  • because her data were academic Here I felt data is used as a mass noun and unquantifiable (like water), and that treating it as a singular works better.
  • told him that that was no place to be gay I'll think about a rephrase to avoid that that.
  • who → whom. There is a movement in plain English to do away with whom. I don't particularly care for that, but it apparently confuses some readers.
  • I don't think there's any reason to replace html entities (eg: &ndash;) with unicode characters.
  • excavating at 3 properties → three. Normally small numbers are expressed as words instead of numerals. One of the exceptions to this is when numbers may be compared, in which case numbers should all be in the same format (words or numerals). That paragraph has other numbers (30, 75, 100) which the 3 could be compared to. So I feel it's better to have it as a numeral.
  • most prolific known serial killer. You removed a hyphen in most-prolific. This is a compound modifier and MOS recommends hyphenating these for clarity. I feel the hyphenated version is less demanding on the reader. Serial killer might also be hyphenated but I think most readers are familiar with that term. It may be more obvious with male sex worker which is ambiguous without the hyphen. (Is it a male prostitute, or a "worker" who is of the "male sex"?)
  • amyl nitrate -Should this read "nitrite"?- One source says to possess amyl nitrates or "poppers," another took poppers, amyl nitrate, though I see the Wikipedia article says it belongs to a class called "alkyl nitrites" which I take to be an over-encompassing chemical group.
  • cafe → café I would rather not use accents on loanwords. I don't believe there is any confusion to what a cafe (unaccented) is.
  • f-- fa-ots → fucking fagots. The Bowdlerism is part of a published quote and I feel that it should be reproduced as published.

Also thanks for a lot of the useful linking you added! – Reidgreg (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

There were good reasons for these edits. To begin with, there is no dumbing down on WP. So simplifying the English is not something that we do here. "Plain English", we are told, means avoiding needlessly complex diction and suchlike. So I will always, for instance, edit some questionable wording such as "The river begins at its source in the Poconos" to read "The river rises in the Poconos." I will also avoid writing snotty-sounding things like "The town is situated approximately 10 km from the urban centre in its immediate proximity", because of course it will do to write "The town lies roughly 10 km from the nearby city."

  • Strangle and throttle do not mean the same thing. If you strangle somebody, he's dead. If you throttle him, he survives. That man in that section clearly survived to tell the story.
    • Interesting. My dictionary does not have that definition but seeing that strangling is a specific criminal offence it may not be the best choice of word. How to you feel about choke?
  • Data is plural. One of them is called a datum. Information, though, is an uncountable noun.
  • There is nothing wrong with that that — or indeed with had had, or even do do (as in "They do do alterations, but only for a price."). I'd quibble over very very, though.
  • As for who → whom, if it confuses some readers, there's always Simple English Wikipedia. And once again, there is no dumbing down here. If you look at my userboxen, you'll see that I have declared myself a sworn foe of this movement that you mention. Whom is perfectly good English, and I don't know why it would confuse anybody.
  • What's wrong with Unicode characters? Besides, HTML entities show up as gobbledygook in the source code. I'd never even seen that one {{snd}} before, although I left that because the way I usually write that is just as gobbledygooky.
  • I found no instance of most used with a hyphen in MOS, and it certainly isn't needed in those instances where I deleted it. There is no ambiguity. Serial killer is never hyphenated.
  • As for the numbers, I thought that only the lower ones should be in words. I don't know that readers would do any in-depth comparison between them anyway.
    • The rule is that numbers below 10 (i.e.: integers 0 to 9) be expressed as words, numbers that can be expressed in one or two words be expressed with either words or numerals, and all others with numerals. But there are exceptions like dates, in tables and infoboxes, and cases where numbers might be compared. You wouldn't want to see a one-sided basketball score as three to 81.
  • Nitrate/Nitrite: What you saw on WP is also what I saw, which is why I posed the question. The newshounds often get scientific things wrong, and I believe that this matter of one letter should be cleared up. No medical use is given for Amyl nitrate in that article, and the article also disambiguates somewhat with a reference to the similarly named Amyl nitrite. As it stands, it looks as though the man was abusing a diesel fuel additive, which likely isn't true, and it is therefore a question of accuracy.
    • I'd be okay if there was a good source to go with it, preferably from the same jurisdiction.
  • What's wrong with diacritics? We can do those here. They only get left out by publishers who cannot render them. Well, WP can. I even insist on smörgåsbord.
    • Does it not then follow that if they can't be rendered well we should also leave them out? Because there are Wikipedia readers using antiquated computers. I sometimes use a text-based browser. Wikipedia has a mandate for accessibility.
  • Bowdlerized the quote's source may be, but we know what he said. The source may be censored, but WP isn't, and there are worse things written in many articles.
    • I'll reply to this on the article talk page.

Anyway, thank you for making this into a proper article. Kelisi (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Kelisi:The article was a lot of work, but there were a lot of little mistakes in it and I'm grateful for the time you took cleaning it up. I'll try to keep it current. I'm a little cautious about following the sources so I'm going to keep that chemical name and quote as reported (until a better source comes along). I'll be reverting a teensy bit of your otherwise helpful edits (and rephrasing other bits to avoid issues). If you wish, we can continue discussion of specific changes on the article talk page. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:27, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Bruce McArthur[edit]

Your wording falsely implies that nobody knew that Faizi and Kayhan had gone missing until the police identified the link in 2013. That's not accurate in the slightest — we Toronto queers already knew about all three men, and were already screaming to the police that there was a common link between them, long before the police announcement. The LGBT community in Toronto very definitely was already raising the alarm that there was a link between the three cases long before the police admitted it — trust me, I was there. Bearcat (talk) 18:27, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: I don't want to diminish what you went through in any way, I'm just cautious about following sources. I reworded a little in an attempt to make it clear that police linked the missing persons cases rather than discovering the men were missing (which was unintended). I'll review the source and the others it links to and get back to you. Thanks very much, BTW, for a source from 2010. I only had a few pre-2016 sources and none of them (nor any of the summary sources which came afterwards) said the community had linked those three disappearances ahead of the police. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
@Bearcat: I read the 8 June 2013 Xtra story a couple times yesterday and once more this morning, but I didn't spot anything about civilians connecting the disappearances before the police announced it (on 6 June 2013, I believe). One quote from Livingstone reads "I'm not sure I understand the connection [...]" suggesting that he didn't see a link between two of the missing men he knew.
There was a search for Navaratnam. Another source says that Faizi's wife came down to the village several times searching for him. But those searches would seem to have taken place in different years, and I don't have any sources about them linking-up or being connected, pooling resources and information, etc. The first I have of that is Toronto's Missing Rainbow Community in 2017. There were some vague statements like "For years, members of the city's LGBT community had reported disappearances from the area, sparking whispers about a possible serial killer targeting the community." but nothing I could put a date to, and nothing to say the community recognized this before the Project Houston announcement.
Do you feel the current wording By June 2013 the task force had identified two other missing persons cases linked by geography and lifestyle, those of Abdulbasir "Basir" Faizi and Majeed "Hamid" Kayhan. is acceptable? – Reidgreg (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Danzig Street shooting[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 25 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Danzig Street shooting, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Toronto's worst mass shooting was committed by teenagers at a block party? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Danzig Street shooting. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Danzig Street shooting), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:36, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Yoninah: thanks for adding this DYK to the 5000+ list for May 2018! It was my first DYK, and I hope it'll still be in the top-ten for May at the end of the month! I'm a little curious about the number though. I also got 10,824 using the link in the template above, but the rules say to use DYK Stats tool which gives me 10,622 (I believe it adds mobile views then subtracts "background" views the page might have gotten if not a DYK). Does the link on the template (or the instructions) have to be updated? – Reidgreg (talk) 19:23, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome. (I knew the hook was a winner!) The DYK Stats tool is mainly useful when the article gets a lot of traffic independent of the the DYK nomination. (For example, see this nomination for May 20, which was already trending before the DYK appeared). In your case, the 70 hits the day before had nothing to do with it, and you can probably add the 560 hits the day after to your total. However, in this and other cases, I would just stick with what the Pageviews link in the template reports for the day it appeared. Best, Yoninah (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
There were a couple big ones at the end of May which knocked it down to 13th highest for the month, or 7th among those that didn't have pictures. Not bad when there were close to 250 for the month, and it beat out 25 that had the added draw of a picture. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

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GOCE election[edit]

I think Jonesey95 wants a break as lead coordinator; if you're willing to be the lead coordinator (it's not hard), I'll be happy to continue as coordinator. Or whatever; I just want a place to play :-). All the best, Miniapolis 23:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

Reidgreg: I would support your move to Lead if you are willing. I will be available to assist and answer any questions you may have, as will many other previous Leads and Coordinators. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:12, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Not that we're twisting your arm or anything ... :-) Seriously, though, if you'rather not then I'll do it; I've done it before. All the best, Miniapolis 13:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
@Jonesey95 and Miniapolis: It seems a little weird that the role is avoided if it's not that much work, but assuming I'll have support from a big team of coordinators I think it'll be okay for me to take point. I'm grateful that the two of you have lead us so well the past few years but it's not fair to put everything on two people – for a tenth consecutive term! I would hope that at least one other person would step-up to run for Lead, but we'll see. I do want to serve the next term and contribute to more coord-work. I think I've done all but 3 things on the task list (not counting the annual tasks). Copy editing is not my raison d'être so at some point (with the diminishing backlog) I may shift my focus away from copy editing articles, but I'm still happy to do maintenance work. I think that I can take care of the drives and blitzes, though I'm a Mac user so I'd appreciate someone else running the Barnstar script. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:22, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I'd rather not be lead coordinator because what I enjoy the most is copyediting. Don't worry, we're not trying to snow you; being the lead isn't that time-consuming, but you tend to be the one who gets pinged :-). I've never been much of a fan of the blitzes, so we could probably lose those if you wanted. Think I'm finally coming to terms with the barnstar script; I'm not really computer-savvy so it's been harrowing, but the terror is beginning to fade. Back in the day we didn't have such a high level of participation (editors and number of articles), but Torchiest's script (like Jonesey's templates for drive/blitz pages and barnstars) have really cut down on project maintenance. FWIW, for better or worse I'll always be around :-). All the best, Miniapolis 20:17, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Since I was pinged I thought I'd make a small comment. As a former lead, I can say that it wasn't all that different from being a regular coordinator, but you do need to be active on the project on a daily basis to make sure you are aware of everything going on. There were just a very small number of times where it required making judgement calls on issues like copy editors who did sub-optimal work, but nothing too bad. And I'm around too to answer questions, even though my participation is much less frequent these days. —Torchiest talkedits 20:26, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

May 2018 GOCE drive bling[edit]

Most Excellent Order of Star Scribes.png The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 34 articles during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 54,315 total words during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting four long articles during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 15,524 words – during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 29 old articles during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: Thanks! But, er, you missed {{subst:GOCE award|award=old|place=1|number=29}} I probably overcomplicated by drawing, but what can I say? I like to share. – Reidgreg (talk) 01:15, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Fixed! Sorry about that. I know I looked for it, but I just didn't see it. Too many ties in the table this month. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bruce McArthur[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Bruce McArthur at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:57, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018 GOCE newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors June 2018 News
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Welcome to the June 2018 GOCE newsletter, in which you will find Guild updates since the February edition. Progress continues to be made on the copyediting backlog, which has been reduced to 7 months and reached a new all-time low. Requests continue to be handled efficiently this year, with 272 completed by the end of May (an average completion time of 10.5 days). Fewer than 10% of these waited longer than 20 days, and the longest wait time was 29 days.

Wikipedia in general, and the Guild in particular, experienced a deep loss with the death on 20 March of Corinne. Corinne (a GOCE coordinator since 1 July 2016) was a tireless aide on the requests page, and her peerless copyediting is a part of innumerable GAs and FAs. Her good cheer, courtesy and tact are very much missed.

March drive: The goal was to remove June, July and August 2017 from our backlog and all February 2018 Requests (a total of 219 articles). This drive was an outstanding success, and by the end of the month all but eight of these articles were cleared. Of the 33 editors who signed up, 19 recorded 277 copy edits (425,758 words).

April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 15 through 21 April, focusing on Requests and the last eight articles tagged in August 2017. At the end of the week there were only 17 pending requests, with none older than 17 days. Of the nine editors who signed up, eight editors completed 22 copy edits (62,412 words).

May drive: We set out to remove September, October and November 2017 from our backlog and all April 2018 Requests (a total of 298 articles). There was great success this month with the backlog more than halved from 1,449 articles at the beginning of the month to a record low of 716 articles. Officially, of the 20 who signed up, 15 editors recorded 151 copy edits (248,813 words).

Coordinator elections: It's election time again. Nominations for Guild coordinators (who will serve a six-month term for the second half of 2018) have begun, and will close at 23:59 UTC on 15 June. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible, and self-nominations are encouraged. Voting will take place between 00:01 UTC on 16 June and 23:59 UTC on 30 June.

June blitz: Stay tuned for this one-week copy-editing blitz, which will take place in mid-June.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Corinne, Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tdslk.

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Your draft article, Draft:Brigitte Martel[edit]

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Your draft article, Draft:Claudette Dion[edit]

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Your draft article, Draft:Hélène Mercier-Arnault[edit]

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Your draft article, Draft:Lucie Poitras[edit]

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Well, the above articles were all deleted within 24 hours of notification so I have no idea if they were worth saving or not. These were all women's biographies that I'd started for the Women in Red World Contest in November 2017 but was unable to complete at that time, and other priorities took over. I believe they all met notability requirements but there was some information that wasn't sufficiently sourced. I've seen worse articles in the mainspace, but not from my account. Anyways, I've far too much going on and haven't time to go through the red tape to appeal the "decision". – Reidgreg (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bruce McArthur[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Bruce McArthur at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:02, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, your nomination has been approved, but the dispute tag on 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides‎ is holding it up from being promoted. Is it possible to drop the discussion about hyphens in the article until after this appears on DYK on the main page? Yoninah (talk) 20:35, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Yup. I'll leave that matter alone for a while (a week or so?) and will work on a minor content update from last week. Apparently the police had surveillance inside McArthur's apartment for months before his arrest. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:48, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Wait till after it appears on the main page; not sure when it will be promoted. Yoninah (talk) 23:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: OK, will prep but hold the updates. I guess updating it would require you to check it again, and you've done enough work on this. Does this count as three DYKs (in terms of reviewing and QPQ) since there are three bolded articles in the hook? Hmmm. I just noticed a new account has made its first edit to Murder of Tess Richey, with at least one unsourced claim. I'm going to undo that edit (once only) and leave an explanatory note and talkback notification. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it counts as 3 DYK credits. The hook is currently in Prep 1, scheduled to appear on June 14. Keep that page watchlisted, as well as ERRORS, where administrators often question hook wording and verification. (If you see a discussion starting on the latter page, jump in!) Since the hook is now in prep, it makes sense that it's more visible and other users will start making changes. There may even be vandalism. It's okay if you delete unsourced claims and erroneous edits. Hopefully it won't come to more edit-warring... Yoninah (talk) 18:13, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

GOCE Hall of Fame[edit]

Hi Reidgreg:

Wow, that nomination came out of left field! Thank you! I think we can blame the stats on our lousy winters! I do enjoy (most) copy editing and hope to be able to continue for many years to come.

Thanks again!

Twofingered Typist (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

@Twofingered Typist: I've been holding onto this nom for six months, since I ran the numbers for the year-end reports, and have been biting my tongue (or fingers) to not mention it to anyone. IMHO you've more than earned it, and I also feel it's good to have representation from a non-coordinator in the HOF. Seriously, you do so much it's ridiculous to not have you in the HOF. Please keep on doing what you're doing, and hopefully enjoying it! – Reidgreg (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks again! I most certainly will, Reidgreg, starting tomorrow with the Rolling Stones article I've had my eye on for weeks! That's one I will most certainly enjoy. The music of my youth! Cheers, Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:21, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
@Twofingered Typist: Careful! A few months ago I did ce on Abba's Dancing Queen and had the song stuck in my head for weeks! – Reidgreg (talk) 19:45, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Death of Alloura Wells[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 19 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Death of Alloura Wells, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the deaths of Alloura Wells and Tess Richey, reported one day apart, renewed fears of a serial killer in Toronto's gay village? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Death of Alloura Wells), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of Tess Richey[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 19 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Murder of Tess Richey, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the deaths of Alloura Wells and Tess Richey, reported one day apart, renewed fears of a serial killer in Toronto's gay village? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Murder of Tess Richey), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

DYK for 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 19 June 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the deaths of Alloura Wells and Tess Richey, reported one day apart, renewed fears of a serial killer in Toronto's gay village? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 2010–2017 Toronto serial homicides), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

June 2018 GOCE blitz award[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 40,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE June 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy-editing at least one individual article of more than 10,000 words during the most recent Guild of Copy Editors' Drive or Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

3O Capture of the Esmeralda[edit]

Sorry, we do not talk about flags. [2] --Caminoderoma (talk) 00:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

If you can not give us 3O please tell us. The dispute is if "British Volunteers" could be in belligerent, or not in the Infobox military conflict. Please read about the British intervention in Spanish America and Neutrality Act of 1819 about unrecognized states. here Thanks--Caminoderoma (talk) 03:31, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I put the nationality of these people in the body of the article, as you say, but Muttawallis move it from the body of the article to a note. Another conflic edition with 3RR [3] Sorry, what can I do now.--Caminoderoma (talk) 20:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Caminoderoma: From the looks of the footnote, different sources have different things to say about the nationalities. I would suggest asking the folks at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military History. Some of them have really big collections of military history books, and they may know a lot about these sources and other sources and be able to help you figure this out. You shouldn't cherry-pick sources and only use the sources that follow what you want to put in the article. NPOV means finding a balance between the various sources and giving balanced representation to diverging viewpoints. But I am totally inexpert in the subject and have no idea how reliable various sources are. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:59, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
I do not select the references. All the sources coincide in the same. I have done my homework. I read the references. This is the table with the true information of the references. Mutawalli has published false news in the article, this was the reason why he wants to moves the information to a footnote. He changed the references Semicolon (;) and Coma (,), changing the results of the numbers. This has a name but I do not wants to say. Now I can answer your question about exact numers of foreign fighters in this table. Thanks for your patience and advice.--Caminoderoma (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Expedition against Esmeralda
Name of the ship Number of men Chileans British /North Americans
O'Higgins 92 0 92
Lautaro 99 43 56
Independecia 49 15 34
Total of shipman 240 58 182
Total of officers 32 5 27
Commander-in-Chief: Thomas Cochrane


  • "These numbered 240 man, 92 from the O'Higgins; 99, of whom nearly half, 43 were chileans, from the Lautaro; and 49, of whom 15 were Chileans, from the Independencia. Of the 32 officers, petty officers, midshipmen and marine and regular army officers on the enterprise, all but five were British or North American". Cubitt.1974 page 302
  • "Se seleccionaron 240 hombres: 92 de la O'Higgins; 99 del Lautaro, la mitad de ellos chilenos; y 49 de la Independencia, 15 de ellos chilenos. De los 32 oficiales, sólo cinco eran chilenos." Urrutia,2008 page 148

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@Caminoderoma: I'd say to wait a week to see if this gets any traction at Milhist. If that doesn't provide useful input, then you could file a Wikipedia:Requests for comment. If you do so, be sure that you succinctly state the issue. – Reidgreg (talk) 01:04, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Women in Red's Monthly achievement initiative[edit]

Hi there! As you were so active in the World Contest, you might be interested in August's Monthly achievement initiative.--Ipigott (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Re: Copyediting[edit]

Sorry about that! I did notice that there was an editing conflict when I went to save my changes. I think you had made your edits while I was already working on the page. I typically check on the pages' talk and edit history before making large edits, but I don't recall seeing any evidence that you had already started working.

Good work on the drive by the way. You have done a lot more than I have.

Triangleman3 (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

@Triangleman3: Well, it was only about 20 minutes before, and I suspect you were working on your copy edit before that. It's good to leave some sort of edit to let others know you're working on it. (I don't like to inflate my edit count with little edits, but in cases like this it's usually a good idea.)
I don't mind so much, like you say I've done a lot this month so it's not really going to affect me. I didn't intend to do so much copy editing this month, but now I'm hoping we can get 2017 finished.
I rewrote the lead of Women's Action Alliance and put a bit of the unsourced information back with {{citation needed}} tags, but overall I think I liked your copy edit better than mine! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Third opinion[edit]

Thank you for your response and the effort you took for citing your opinion in Talk:Saudi_Arabia#Consistency. However, the dispute was between two competing versions. so since we and Oxfordlaw reached a dead end, I am asking for your opinion, should we separate every kingdom into its own section, for Kindah, Lihyan, Dilmun, Thamud as in here[4], or lumped together under pre-Islamic era section with a narrative [5]? Which one is more preferable? Nabataeus (talk) 17:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I replied at the article talk page. As is often the case with third opinions, mine is also a third option. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:41, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

July drive bling[edit]

Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 31 articles during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 71,908 total words during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 6 long articles during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 1st Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 31 old articles during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 10,054 words – during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE July 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
And thanks for giving out the rest of the barnstars! All the best, Miniapolis 14:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

August GOCE newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors August 2018 Newsletter
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Hello and welcome to the August 2018 GOCE newsletter. Thanks to everyone who participated in the Guild's June election; your new and returning coordinators are listed below. The next election will occur in December 2018; all Wikipedia editors in good standing may take part.

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Our June blitz focused on Requests and articles tagged for copy edit in October 2017. Of the eleven people who signed up, eight editors recorded a total of 28 copy edits, including 3 articles of more than 10,000 words. Complete results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the seventeen people who signed up, thirteen editors completed 194 copy edits, successfully removing all articles tagged in the last three months of 2017. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are here.

The August blitz will run for one week, from 19 to 25 August. Sign up now!

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators, Reidgreg, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Tdslk.

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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RE: Copy edits[edit]

Hi Reidgreg, thank you for your note about Equestria. I like what you did, and I think we dodged a potential edit conflict since I was out of editing mode at the time. I am about to jump back in, so I will change the "under construction" message at the top to the "in use" one (I might be in editing mode for a few hours). Thank you for coordinating the blitz—it is my first time participating in one, and I'm excited to see how it goes! Romhilde (talk) 03:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

@Romhilde: You're welcome, and thank-you for participating! I try to keep an eye on eager new editors and offer advice. Your copy edits looked really good, BTW. The only thing I noted was in one place you added a comma on the right side of an inline reference, where punctuation almost always goes on the left side of inline citations or inline markup templates (exceptions: dashes and sometimes parenthesis). I made some other little changes, many of which were more cleanup than copy editing. I think you're doing a great job, especially considering how new you are. If this is something you enjoy I hope you'll come out for more GOCE blitzes and drives. Please feel free to ask me if you have any questions, or you can ask on the blitz talk page which might get a quicker response. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for saying that. It's helpful to know that I am going in the right direction, since I know there is a lot I don't know yet! I will be sure to ask if I have any questions along the way. Romhilde (talk) 03:31, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for the recent DYK review. But the reason why I'm awarding you this barnstar is because I looked into the recent outstanding contributions you've done in other areas of this encyclopedia. I noticed you didn't have this barnstar, so now you can add it to your collection! Happy editing, MX () 15:56, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@MX: thanks! Face-smile.svg I do like to collect barnstars – I'm also looking forward to completing my set of Guild of Copy Editors barnstars next week. Reviewing is new for me, I've been a bit worried about it but DYK has been a good experience. Although the rules/instructions are absurdly long, everybody's been helpful and open-minded. I've just got to be careful not to overextend myself with the other chainsaws I'm juggling. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Glad to hear! Since English is not my native language, I don't think I would bring enough value at GOCE, although I'd love to join that project one day. You might also want to consider looking into reviewing Good Article nominations. It's a great way to learn a new topic, meet some of Wikipedia's best content writers, and polish your reviewing skills. Cheers, MX () 22:56, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Your third opinion on Akaike information criterion[edit]

Thank you much again for giving a detailed third opinion on Akaike information criterion. I was really glad to get the issue resolved. Additionally, you recommended that the lead note that AIC was formulated by Hirotugu Akaike: I made a relevant edit two weeks ago, and it has held so far, which I take to indicate general acceptance.  Offering appreciative and good wishes, SolidPhase (talk) 17:55, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Glad that it all worked out! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

August 2018 blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE August 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 23:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hélène Pedneault has been accepted[edit]

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Hélène Pedneault, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Bkissin (talk) 21:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
@Bkissin: hey, thanks! This was one of five "unfinished" articles I'd started for WIR's The World Contest. I guess I wasn't confident that it was adequately sourced. Four of those drafts were deleted in June. I don't know how this one escaped that round of deletions and made it to AfC, but I'm glad you found your way to rescuing it. It's nice to know it it made it to the mainspace! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:17, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Copy editing Electroless nickel plating and questions about copyright[edit]

Hi Reidgreg, after I finished editing Electroless nickel plating for our September drive, I realized that the sections Characteristics and Types may have been taken originally from a copyrighted website. I am concerned that I unknowingly edited a copyright violation, turning it into a close paraphrase.

Should these two sections have been tagged per WP:COPYVIO? If so, I'd rather revert my edits and tag the sections. What confuses me is whether this website copied Wikipedia or Wikipedia copied the website.

The list of advantages in the original article is nearly an exact copy and paste, and by this edit even more had been subsequently copied. It seems unlikely that a business would claim text from Wikipedia as their marketing material-but not impossible. I appreciate the guidance. Romhilde (talk) 05:33, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Romhilde: There are hundreds of websites which mirror or fork Wikipedia content, and many more which modify it. They're allowed to do so as long as they attribute it, but some rarely do and unfortunately Wikipedia can't go after them since Wikipedia is not the content creator – it's up to individual editors to protect their own work. Given that most editors can't be bothered with that, there's a lot of plagiarism going the other way. On the other hand, this article was created in 2006, which I've been told was a period of massive article creation without a whole lot of reviewing and many of those articles continue to have problems. (The first article I attempted to copy edit this month, Freedom of religion in Russia, turned out to be a copy & paste from a U.S. government report, which had gone undetected since 2008.)
In this particular case, the material was in the article since 2006 while the website has a copyright of 2014. That's the most-recent copyright date and not necessarily the date they first had the material there. I'm not sure how to check it any further though I'm sure there must be tools to do so. (The original editor has been inactive for ten years so we can't ask them.) If you feel it's worthwhile, you could report it at Wikipedia:Copyright problems where a specialist can examine it. However, that the website hasn't updated its copyright suggests they're not actively protecting the content, if it was theirs to begin with. So I'm not too worried about it, also given that it's a list and there's only so many ways you can state some things.
I think you were on the right track to begin with, and just to be safe a little additional tweaking could be done so the phrasing and/or structure is different. If you're not already familiar with the Earwig copyvio tool, it's quite useful to check for close paraphrasing. This link compares the old version of the article with the site you found. I feel a larger concern are these websites (1 and 2) which were used as sources for the article, so you know they came first.
A very nice copy edit, BTW, and I applaud you for doing this extra work. When you run into something like this you can always tag the article (or section) with {{copypaste}} or another cleanup template, but it's always interesting to learn more about the Project by pursuing it further.
Also, thanks for asking me about this, and letting me feel useful. I hope this helps (though a little long-winded). Let me know if you have any other questions about this or anything else, or if you'd like me to take a crack at rephasing some of that. Happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your help, Reidgreg! The earwig copyvio tool looks incredible, so thank you for linking me to that. I appreciate the thorough response and positive feedback, too. If you could do some additional tweaking and rephrasing, I would love to review it and learn by example. I will be sure to keep you in mind when I run into other questions. Romhilde (talk) 03:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@Romhilde: you're welcome! I'm not the best copy editor, but for this term I'm the go-to guy for questions. Earwig is one of my favourites, and very much used by reviewers. Wikipedia:Tools lists some other tools, and there are also gadgets you can activate in your preferences (note: they use javascript and can encumber your browser if you have lots of webpages open; if you decide to use a bunch, you may want to assign sets of gadgets and scripts to different "skins" that you can switch depending on your editing activity).
I tweaked the phrasing a bit. Though as I looked over it, link "1" above doesn't seem to be in the sources. Earwig may have found that on its own, and so "1" might have copied from Wikipedia. Nonetheless, it wasn't bad to make those parts a little more concise. Feel free to check the diff. – Reidgreg (talk) 17:55, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Date Masamune[edit]

Thanks for the copyedit in Date Masamune. If there's something that worries me though is that the lead is now one paragraph only which tends to go against guidelines. Maybe could the lead be divided into two paragraphs? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 21:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Tintor2: that part of the copy edit was done by Etzedek24 (see my comments on his talk page). The article is fairly short, 10,754 characters according to DYKcheck, and MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends that articles of less than 15,000 characters have a lead of one or two paragraphs. There may be another guideline that contradicts this – I know there are some that recommend a maximum of 5 paragraphs while others say 4 – but I didn't feel strongly enough about it to change it. Another article I checked had a 10 paragraph lead, so it could be worse! If you want to change the lead to 2 or 3 paragraphs, I certainly won't revert you. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Development communication[edit]

Hi there, would you mind taking another look at your recent edit of Development communication? Something seems to have gone amiss. Thanks, Jessicapierce (talk) 02:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jessicapierce: I guess that's a risk with overly large articles (WP:LENGTH and WP:SIZESPLIT). It won't let me undo it due to intervening bot edits, so I'm just going to copy & paste from the version before my edit, take out the {{copy edit}} tag which had been my intention, and put in a {{page needed}} template from the diffs. (Also put the External links into a bullet list.) Okay, done. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Gaya[edit]

Hi - just wanted to say thank you so much for looking over the Gaya article and adding your copy edits. I've learnt a lot by looking at your improvements. In particular, I didn't know to make the distinction between hyphens and en dashes (so I've been back to make a few corrections for this in the other articles I worked on in the September GOCE Drive); and I wasn't able at the time to find the right conversion template, converting in the right direction, for some of the distances and heights. All very good to know, and I'm very glad to have been pointed in the right direction. Great also to see the final touches that make all the difference now in the layout and wording. I really appreciate the guidance and the learning curve - thanks again! FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@FiveFaintFootprints: you're very much welcome! I feel you did a good job with your copy edits, I think I just did a few style changes, maybe a little for conciseness and some layout and template tweaks. A lot of that is "extra work" so you get full marks for your copy edits. I tried to check an article from each editor on the drive, but was lazy and didn't give any formal reviews or feedback. (I was also slow on the talk pages this month, but saw Miniapolis replied to you.) Please feel free to come to me if you want any advice, particularly with Manual of Style or template issues. I tend to obsess a bit over the MOS, but even good articles are only expected to be compliant with the basic MOS.
As you seem rather enthusiastic, I'd like to point you to Tony1's exercises which are linked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/How to. They make up the best tutorial I've seen on Wikipedia, and if you take a couple weeks to go over them you should be in top form for the November drive. Barnstars for the September drive should be distributed shortly. Please keep up the good work! – Reidgreg (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the recommendation! I've been looking through Tony1's tutorial and a couple of other resources - it's all grist to the mill. Looking forward to this Blitz week, and glad you all decided to take the pressure off by adding in the country subdivision articles and taking out the still-intimidating Requests! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FiveFaintFootprints (talkcontribs) 10:10, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@FiveFaintFootprints: You're welcome. I was glad to see you signed up for the blitz! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or at the blitz talk page. Happy copy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 14:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I certainly will - thanks! - FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 14:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Here's a question already: I've just copyedited the article San Javier, Murcia. If you use Preview on the Edit page you get the double message "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox settlement with unknown parameter "pushpin_map1" (this message is shown only in preview)." I'm not equipped to resolve this - any help appreciated! - FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
That's more of a cleanup issue. It's a non-fatal template error, which basically means someone made a typo in the parameter name or used a parameter from a different template which this particular template doesn't support. Sometimes there's already a bot going around fixing these, or a technical-minded editor will periodically make semi-automated edits to fix them. Don't worry about it too much... but for your curiosity (and mine) I'll explore a little further:
In this particular case, since this appears to be a translated article from another wiki, it appears to be a parameter used at es.wiki that isn't supported here. (There was a period when many such articles were machine-translated en masse and there was no human editor to check for errors.) It's a bit of a puzzler because the article is still displaying both pushpin maps (though not the one caption). I tried searching the template namespace for "pushpin_map1" and I found syntax-checking templates like the one that reported the error in preview, which also seems to automatically pass the data to the correct part of the template. So it doesn't actually appear to be a problem. Weird. I suppose you could try to search through examples to find a proper implementation if you really want the second caption to display. But it seems like it could be an awful lot of work for little actual gain. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the enlightenment! I'll file that information away for future reference. And - phew - it looks like Jonesey95 has been through and fixed both messages, which does indeed save quite a lot of time all round! FiveFaintFootprints (talk) 17:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Wow, the template is smarter (i.e.: more sophisticated) than I thought, it must automatically associate the regional map with those coordinates for the country map and doesn't need those parameters to produce the second pushpin map. Somebody worked on that. Kudos to Jonesey95. In the edit histories you'll find quite a few "WikiGnomes" who make little changes, tidying pages and keeping the code running smoothly. So, again, no reason to panic, and no reason to feel you have to fix everything yourself – though it is interesting to see how things work. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

September 2018 drive bling[edit]

Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 18 articles during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Words, 5th Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 41,557 total words during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Long Articles, 2nd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 2 long articles during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Old Articles, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting 18 old articles during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Goce silver barnstar.png Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Longest Article, 3rd Place
This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copyediting one of the five longest articles – 8,707 words – during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 100,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE September 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 19:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Canadian Comedy Awards[edit]

I know we haven't spoken about this in a number of months, but if look at the bottom of my talk page, I have someone up my ass about references. They are annoying me about source. Have you by chance found any references for the 1st Canadian Comedy Awards? I've have been searching and still can't find any outside of the official website. We can use it, but I want more secondary sources. Ping me in this conversation so I can get notified of your response. Thanks. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 00:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@Fishhead2100: good to hear from you! I spoke to Boleyn when I noticed the unref tag go up on 1st CCA. I tend to agree with this editor but pointed out that I've got a sourced draft expansion at User:Reidgreg/1st Canadian Comedy Awards. I followed your format, BTW, thanks for that! Some could be moved to the mainspace now but I want to hold them so that I can promote them through WP:DYK (preferably with some multiple hooks). DYK has a lot of rules and nominations only qualify within 7 days of a mainspace move or expansion, hence my desire to hold them until ready. Other commitments have slowed my progress somewhat but I hope to get some of them into the mainspace by the end of the year and most of them before the next awards season. I have a lot of work to do on the main article. I have some thoughts on the articles along with a list of them at User talk:Reidgreg/Canadian Comedy Awards. I expect you're probably busy with all the other articles Boleyn listed, though. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
I have been doing other stuff as well. That's why I haven't been focusing on it. Like I've said in the past, I'll do what I can when I can. I am slowly taking care of those articles. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 14:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

GOCE October Blitz 2018[edit]

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For your excellent guidance and firm reviews during October Blitz 2018, which helped me to learn better copyediting and stay motivated, I award you the Guidance Barnstar as a token of respect. Suman chowdhury 22 (talk) 06:42, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Copy editing help[edit]

I very much enjoyed working on the blitz this month. I'd like to tackle one of the longer articles on the requests page. However, the ones I am most interested in are articles whose recent contributors are trying to get their article to FA or GA status. I am not sufficiently confident in my skills to attempt these. I think the only way to learn, though, is to go in and edit and then have a more experienced copyeditor check the work thoroughly (and "nitpick"). Or, maybe there's another better way to learn? Do you have any suggestions on either how to go about learning or a recommendation of a more experienced copy editor to copy edit my copy edits? PopularOutcasttalk2me! 13:32, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

@PopularOutcast: Another great way to learn is from the diffs in the article history. Find an article from the Requests page that was up for FA or GA, check the "view history" and load a version from before it was copy edited. (You may have to go to the page history for the Requests page to find an article, or you can go to the requests archive page for a list). Look at the pre-copy edit version and carefully go through it, noting the copy edits that you would make. Then check the diffs and see what the experienced copy editor changed. You can learn a lot from seeing how another editor handled the same situation. I would particularly recommend copy edits by Miniapolis and Twofingered Typist, they do very good work and probably have the most experience. Thanks for your edits on the blitz, btw, I think you copy-edited the most articles! (I was one behind you, but Twofingered Typist and Miniapolis had double our word counts.) – Reidgreg (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! I will take a look. I copy edited smaller word count articles so I got through quite a few. I will do some studying before the next blitz. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 17:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) (humblebrag:) If you want to see a thorough copy-edit of a long GA/FA-level article, take a look at my copy edits of Magna Carta from a couple of years ago (my edits took a while, so a couple of other editors added some new text while I was editing). It was a LONG article and very satisfying to edit. I find that short, poorly written articles can be challenging to copy-edit, but the stakes are pretty low, so I just get in and get out, trying to improve the article. Longer articles that are GA or FA candidates can be more satisfying to edit, since they are often interesting and well written, but you have to pay closer attention to the article's existing style and spend some time reading the WP Manual of Style. Both types of copy edits are needed here at WP; use your skills and proclivities as you see fit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:27, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: Will do! After the #ferryincident I tried to pick articles where the stakes were lower. Naw, just kidding; that wasn't the end of the world. My lack of confidence has to do with the way my brain works. I am definitely not the "know every grammar rule" type (which is a fine type). I am more auditory – this doesn't sound right or this could be clearer. I get concerned that when I make things sound better, I introduce grammar errors. I tend to notice style mismatches but don't always know which style is correct and so I spend a lot of time over at the MOS. My memory is shot so I get concerned that I missed something. But, I am trying to help. I just want to make sure that my editing style helps and doesn't hinder. Oh and by the by, I copy edited a few India place articles, and I was fascinated. I knew they were the second largest country by population but it really hit me reading through those articles. PopularOutcasttalk2me! 19:32, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for you help with the Canadian Comedy Awards. Hopefully we can get other years done. Again, let me know what I can help with with anything you are specifically working on when it comes to the Canadian Comedy Awards. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 02:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

October 2018 GOCE blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Reidgreg for copy edits totaling over 10,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE October 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Tdslk (talk) 21:02, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Rasgulla for you![edit]

Bengali orange rasgulla.jpg Thanks for your valuable inputs Reidgreg. I must admit, I admire your knowledge, humility, and the way of teaching. I went through each and every point of your note and checked the diffs between versions. I am glad that I learned so much from one of the best Wikipedians.


Suman chowdhury 22 (talk) 06:12, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Suman chowdhury 22: wow, thanks! Don't feel that you have to memorize everything from every MOS page, by the way. I do a lot of cleanup that isn't required. Even good articles only have to comply with the MOS for punctuation, grammar, layout and lead. If you can get most of the basics or main-page MOS, that's great. Just knowing the guidelines are there and where to find them helps, and you can refer to them depending on the needs of the article, like reviewing MOS:TV when copy editing a television article. Thanks for the rasgulla, and happy editing! – Reidgreg (talk) 12:54, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Nemanja Todorović Štiplija[edit]

Dear Reidgreg, first of all thank you for copyediting that article. I think that it is part of his surname now, because in the media they often present him as Nemanja Todorović Štiplija, Nemanja Štiplija or Mr. Štiplija. So I think that you could say that Štiplija is a part of his name, but Todorović is definitely his surname.VuXman talk 08:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

@Serbianboy: If he's referred by that by reliable sources, then we should probably refer to him by that in the article. I've made the change. You're welcome for the copy edit, by the way. – Reidgreg (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2018 (UTC)