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Soldier's Covenant

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There's no indication that the Salvation Army's articles of faith are notable. Coverage in independent sources is scarce and mostly amounts to "They exist, are called 'Soldier's Covenant' and sum up the Salvation Army's doctrines". That's the best I could find via Google Books, Google Scholar is even less helpful. The article cites no independent sources whatsoever. Huon (talk) 14:37, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. Article needs a lot of work, but I am seeing some discussion in academic sources. Note that this document was known as the "Articles of War" until 2010, and so nearly all scholarship will refer to that name. I'll try to provide a cleanup and sourcing pass, but probably can't get to it till early in the week. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 16:03, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 18:08, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - would you mind sharing what those sources are (and how you found them)? I found nothing of that sort. An appendix giving the Soldier's Covenant is hardly discussion. Huon (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, the first thing that looks promising is: Lydholm, Gudrun (2006). "Rites of Commissioning/Ordination in the Salvation Army in the Nordic Countries related to the Theological Development in the Salvation Army internationally". In Iversen, Hans Raun (ed.). Rites of Ordination and Commitment in the Churches of the Nordic Countries. Museum Tusculanum Press. pp. 391–416. ISBN 87-635-0265-8. There's sometimes an art to this sort of thing, but if I can't get a handful of viable sources by mid-week, I'll retract my !vote in favor of a merger. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Merge into existing article soldier(of the Salvation Army) I've already quoted from the 2018 Salvation Army year book why the Soldiers Covenant is notable, but let me repeat for those unfamiliar with my previous definition:
  • Soldiers Covenant: The statement of beliefs and promises which every intending soldier is required to sign before enrolment. Previously called Articles of War source: page 20, Salvation Army year book 2018 ISBN978-1-911149-40-8(paperback) and 978-1-911149-41-5(e-book)

Proposal for deletion without incorporating the text into soldier(of the Salvation Army) is considered a mendacious attempt to eviscerate from wikipedia anything that doesn't contain some criticism of the Salvation Army Adrian816 (talk) 21:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Huon you wrote "There's no indication that the Salvation Army's articles of faith are notable" - by "articles of faith" do you mean the Handbook of Doctrine? That's bordering on violating policy WP:NPA Adrian816 (talk) 21:44, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

• Comment By "articles of faith" I mean the Soldier's Covenant, roughly in line with one of the few secondary sources I could find that so much as mention it: "Is there a statement of faith (SOF)? There's a statement of faith, but it's not called that. Keeping things military, the Salvation Army calls it the Soldier's Covenant (or the Articles of War)". I accidentally mixed up "Articles of War" and "statement of faith". I'd like to see an explanation how that could be taken as a personal attack (against what person?), even if I had referred to the Handbook of Doctrine instead of the Soldier's Covenant. Since that's not relevant to whether or not the article should be kept, merged or deleted (and there currently is no content based on secondary sources, so nothing worthy of being merged), we should move that part of the discussion elsewhere. Huon (talk) 00:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Pulling the Devil's Kingdom Down: The Salvation Army in Victorian Britain is another source; [1] isn't independent but is substantial. I'm neutral on a merge with Soldier (The Salvation Army). power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:14, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge as described above, as has coverage in rs books Atlantic306 (talk) 17:08, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@Huon you wrote "There's no indication that the Salvation Army's articles of faith are notable", please familiarise yourself with what documents constitute the articles of faith, namely the Soldiers covenant and Handbook of Doctrine before making a blanket statement about what's notable or not, and raising this AFD discussion as a new item on my talk page is reminiscent of "attention seeking". Adrian816 (talk) 21:45, 15 April 2018 (UTC)