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Q1: Why does this article characterize pedophilia as a mental or psychiatric disorder?

A1: Fundamentally, Wikipedia articles need to reflect the consensus expressed in the best-available reliable sources. Those sources characterize pedophilia as a mental or psychiatric disorder, so this article must as well. Those sources state that a mental disorder is a mental or behavioral pattern or anomaly that causes distress, disability or a strong impulse to harm oneself or others. Because pedophilia creates a strong impulse to have sexual relations with prepubertal children (an act which is innately harmful), and people with the disorder that avoid doing so often suffer great distress, it is considered to be a mental disorder. This is what differentiates it from other types of sexual attractions or orientations that do not innately lead to harm or distress.

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A2: Information on Wikipedia must rely first and foremost on reliable sources that can be independently verified. Sources come in many forms but some are clearly better than others. Peer-reviewed journal articles, major published manuals and textbooks are considered very reliable, while personal blog posts or anonymous forums are often nearly worthless and almost never acceptable. This article in particular is about a topic in the area of medicine, and so requires a much higher standard of source than, say, an article about a fictional television program. Another key matter in excluding some material is the concept of fringe theories; sources that represent extremely minor and often flawed views of a topic that are plainly contradicted by more rigorous and reliable sources. For pedophilia in particular there are many fringe points of view that exist, but few have any scientific backing verifiable by reliable sources, and many are outright discredited for questionable relevance or due to the author(s) clearly having ulterior motives, i.e. being a pedophile themselves attempting to justify or normalize their behavior.

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A3: Covering this particular sub-topic is highly problematic for several reasons. The term "pedophilia" itself did not exist until the 19th century, and was coined specifically to refer to a mental illness with set criteria. While the condition no doubt existed prior to that, there was no way to categorize or name it, and thus no reliable source exists labeling any historical person as having "pedophilia." Labeling a historical person based on sexual behavior alone, especially a single recorded perpetration, is also problematic because not all child sexual abusers are pedophiles. The person's internal mental "drive" to engage in such behavior is a key component in diagnosis, something that is almost always missing from historical accounts. A third problem is that the vast majority of such recorded instances in history that people often think of actually would not qualify, because the victim was at or past puberty, whereas, medically, pedophilia usually only refers to prepubescent children.

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Discussion of Societal Perception in Lead

As it stands, there is little comment on how general society currently views pedophilia in the lead, as is written about in the "Society and Culture" section of the article. It seems appropriate to summarize this section in a sentence(s) the the end of the lead, perhaps commenting on the following topics: stigma, anti-pedophile activism, and advocacy Ruyter - talk 01:02, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

not able to be cured

The assertion of the fact that pedophilia is "incurable" is flimsy at best.I would recommend a re-evaluation of this point to include reference to at least two or more sources, or else support removal of the assertion, as being highly contentious without having merit of the general scientific community. 71.91.178.54 (talk) 06:50, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree. I will give seven days for objections before I make the edit. USN007 (talk) 06:53, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And you will be reverted on that edit, per the fact that there is no known cure for pedophilia and the experts are clear that it is unlikely to be cured. We follow what the WP:Reliable sources, especially WP:MEDRS-compliant sources, state on the topic of pedophilia. Not your personal opinions. You also do not help your case by being a new, suspicious account showing up to this article out of nowhere to agree with an IP three minutes after the IP's post. Surely, you should have learned by now that WP:Socks do not get far at this article or any other pedophilia-related or child sexual abuse-related article on this site. And do spare me any talk of biting you as a newbie or falsely accusing you. I've been right on socks every single time regarding this article. Goodbye. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Always nice when a sock would agree with themself. DMacks (talk) 00:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Non-offending pedophilia section

There has been a lot a recent research examining men with pedophilia who self-report that they have not had sexual contact with a child. I wonder about adding a section to the Pedophilia Wikipedia page that provides an outline of what we currently know about pedophilia in non-offending samples and the characteristics that differentiate men with pedophilia who have and have not committed a sexual offence. Part of this new section could also focus on what we know about those with a sexual interest in children, without a focus on offending vs. not offending (i.e., basic sex research findings).Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian V. McPhail (talk • contribs) 21:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For instance, such a section could provide details from Mike Bailey's recent paper looking at sexual attraction patterns in men with pedophilic interests:

http://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-47529-006

Bailey, J. M., Hsu, K. J., & Bernhard, P. A. (2016). An Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Sexual attraction patterns. Journal of abnormal psychology, 125(7), 976.

Or, Kevin Hsu's recent paper on autopedophilia.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797616677082

Hsu, K. J., & Bailey, J. M. (2017). Autopedophilia: erotic-target identity inversions in men sexually attracted to children. Psychological science, 28(1), 115-123.

My point here is that the research on community (i.e., non-forensic) samples of pedophilic individuals is growing and will continue to grow over the coming years. To provide the public with up to date information on pedophilia, these research findings should be included on this wikipedia page.Ian V. McPhail (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian V. McPhail (talk • contribs) 22:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I am happy to help by adding information about research, advocacy, and clinical organizations that work with or support this population. Jeremy Malcolm (talk) 22:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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-There has been a lot a recent research examining men with pedophilia who self-report that they have not had sexual contact with a child. I wonder about adding a section to the Pedophilia Wikipedia page that provides an outline of what we currently know about pedophilia in non-offending samples and the characteristics that differentiate men with pedophilia who have and have not committed a sexual offence. Part of this new section could also focus on what we know about those with a sexual interest in children, without a focus on offending vs. not offending (i.e., basic sex research findings).  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ian V. McPhail|contribs]]) 21:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+There has been a lot a recent research examining men with pedophilia who self-report that they have not had sexual contact with a child. I wonder about adding a section to the Pedophilia Wikipedia page that provides an outline of what we currently know about pedophilia in non-offending samples and the characteristics that differentiate men with pedophilia who have and have not committed a sexual offence. Part of this new section could also focus on what we know about those with a sexual interest in children, without a focus on offending vs. not offending (i.e., basic sex research findings).[[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail|talk]]) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ian V. McPhail|contribs]]) 21:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 For instance, such a section could provide details from Mike Bailey's recent paper looking at sexual attraction patterns in men with pedophilic interests:
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-My point here is that the research on community (i.e., non-forensic) samples of pedophilic individuals is growing and will continue to grow over the coming years. To provide the public with up to date information on pedophilia, these research findings should be included on this wikipedia page.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ian V. McPhail|contribs]]) 22:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+My point here is that the research on community (i.e., non-forensic) samples of pedophilic individuals is growing and will continue to grow over the coming years. To provide the public with up to date information on pedophilia, these research findings should be included on this wikipedia page.[[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail|talk]]) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (UTC)  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ian V. McPhail|Ian V. McPhail]] ([[User talk:Ian V. McPhail#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ian V. McPhail|contribs]]) 22:27, 16 November 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 :Good idea, I am happy to help by adding information about research, advocacy, and clinical organizations that work with or support this population. [[User:Qirtaiba|Jeremy Malcolm]] ([[User talk:Qirtaiba|talk]]) 22:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)