Talk:Proud Boys

Issue with interpretation of a source?

Hi! I'll be the first to admit that I am not an experienced editor with vast knowledge of Wikipedia's policies, but something strikes me as odd about this sentence in the second pargraph of the intro.

In the sentence: "While the group claims it does not support white supremacist views, its members often participate in racist rallies, events, and organizations" a source is cited at the end which links to an article about the clash between Antifa and Proud Boys, precipitated by Antifa members throwing something through the window of the Metropolitan Club a day before and leaving a threatening message. Firstly, the article is from The Daily Beast. . . I think that a more neutral or newsy source could be had for this event which was covered by many more reputable media outlets. . . but, more importantly, I don't see how this article is a reference for the statement that Proud Boys members participate in "Racist rallies."

Can someone shed some light on this for me? Thanks.

Krakaet (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Article Bias

While I am not gonna defend the Proud boys, I know that their leader has disagreed with the classification of a neo-fascist several times. This article seems to have a hard-set opinion on what this is, but to it should do its best to present the defense of the organization as well--along with provide some verification as to why its a fascist group. If we compare it to the antifa page, that one does not attempt to label the ideology in bold letters like this one does. Bgrus22 (talk)

We do not aim to "provide verification as to why its a fascist group." Instead, we aim to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the organization. The citations provide verificiaton that independent reliable sources say it's a far-right, fascist organization. - SummerPhD^v2.0 05:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

What is Source 8??

I don't really understand what citation 8 is supposed to be considering it just links to several other used citations. Bgrus22 (talk)

Those are the sources supporting the statement that the Proud Boys are far-right and neo-fascist. - SummerPhD^v2.0 05:16, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 March 2019

Add to front-page of Proud Boys wiki. Remove claims of racism and/or fascism as they are empirically false and jeopardizes Wikipedia's standing as a platform for valid information.

The proud boys is verifiably not a far-right neo-fascist group, nor is it home of racists.

The proud boys is a men's club that revolves around drinking beer. The group was founded by Vice co-founder Gavin McInnes in 2016 during his tenure at compound media as host of his own show The Gavin McInnes Show [TGMS] because he wanted to get one of the producers of the show, Bret Ratner at 24-year-old virgin, laid by trying to persuade him to stop jerking off. Following that, and thanks to his reverence for western civilization and belief in Judeo-Christian values he formed the Proud Boys. A men's club, based on the Knights of Columbus, the Elk's lodge and others of the likes, that asked members to be Western Chauvinists, not jerk off [aka 'no-wanks'], and to revere the housewife and the entrepreneur. It's a traditionally neo-liberal club with a diverse pool of members of all ethnicities and nationalities that are part of independently organized chapters with no central leadership. There are four degrees of membership in the Proud Boys, none of which require the attainment or adherence to any ideology, political or otherwise, save for the reverence of western civilization and participation in 'no-wanks'. 'No-wanks' is meant to help young men strengthen their romantic relationships, and you can only 'wank' once per month when you participate in 'no-wanks'. Sources to this information can be found on Gavin McInnes podcast, Get Off My Lawn (GOML) at https://getoffmylawnpod.libsyn.com/. [G. McInnes, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019]. Larsdaman (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Especially when there is disagreement, Wikipedia prefers material from independent reliable sources over a subject's potentially self-serving descriptions of itself. Substantial previous discussion of this issue can be found in this page's archives, linked above. - SummerPhD^v2.0 15:18, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

FBI

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/?utm_term=.7d8fdf49f691

The FBI apparently does not consider the Proud Boys are not extremist. This is significant and the article should reflect this. Kilometerman (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

It does Random Redshirt (talk) 18:40, 1 April 2019 (UTC)