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Frankly I see such deletions of other's helpful efforts, —with zero attempt to correct nor to communicate, nor improve the article — as vandalism, not by intent, but by moral negligence and abuse of authority. What possible excuse is there for that, to spit on me like that? That it's legal!? Please note that Guidelines say challenged, then deleted, not just ZAP! <Br> <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6|2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6#top|talk]]) 18:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Frankly I see such deletions of other's helpful efforts, —with zero attempt to correct nor to communicate, nor improve the article — as vandalism, not by intent, but by moral negligence and abuse of authority. What possible excuse is there for that, to spit on me like that? That it's legal!? Please note that Guidelines say challenged, then deleted, not just ZAP! <Br> <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6|2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6]] ([[User talk:2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6#top|talk]]) 18:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Repairing damage of another hairtrigger Undo ==


I just spent hours trying to improve the article, and it was ruined by another inconsiderate bot-powered speedy-user's Undo when I tried to update a now-invalid article. I dont know how long it will take to re-assemble the remaining parts, so please don't undo my undo, which I had to do to post my fixes and additions. IOW, how about some time? I may need to sleep and etc... <BR>

Revision as of 06:11, 2 May 2019

Former good article nomineeUsenet was a Engineering and technology good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 14, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed

Excessive Formality?

The article makes sense if you already know what Usenet is. Sometimes words have different meanings in different contexts, and it seems like here people don't use the right word because it means something else in another context. (??) For example perhaps; "forums":

"Users read and post messages (called articles or posts, and collectively termed news) to one or more categories, known as newsgroups."

To me, "categories" here has zero explanatory power. How about: "...to one or more forums, known as newsgroups." Or "areas of interest?" While "categories" is 100% not false, it does so be being excessively vague, almost meaningless in this context. (Being 100% not false, is rarely a compliment.)

Consider the rest of the article similarly. Wiki's goal is communication and explanation, not "100% not false."   Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without — Confucius,— or Perfect is the enemy of good. Excessive formality seems to be hindering clarity.   Usenet was/is used by ordinary people using loose, ordinary language, lace on a pig seems counter to Wiki's goal: communication. Engineers should not explain ditch-digging.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6 (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Replaced my addition/correction

The article says; "reading the messages requires not a mail or web client, but a news client." That was true decades ago. I corrected by adding:

However, it is now possible to read and participate in Usenet newsgroups to a large degree using ordinary Internet browsers since most newsgroups are now slightly modified for copying to specialized Web sites.[1]

That was deleted without discussion by a bot that seemingly thought I was using search engines as a source, rather than as a tool. I chose a dynamic tool rather than a source in part because of the fading and dynamic nature of Usenet. For example, while their were once tens of thousands of newsgroups, and those lists were published, many if not most of those newsgroups are inactive. Further, they applied to Usenet, not all the internet adaptations.

I replaced my addition without groups.google and my planned sci.physics.narkive.com reading examples to avoid confusing Twinkle bot, but explanation has been degraded. I hope somebody can figure out how to do that.

Part of my goal was to tell the Usenet newbie (Wikipedia's "general user",) that: "NO! You CAN read Usenet without learning or installing new client software! It's NOT DEAD and defunct!" ...which is also what the tone of the article says.

Frankly I see such deletions of other's helpful efforts, —with zero attempt to correct nor to communicate, nor improve the article — as vandalism, not by intent, but by moral negligence and abuse of authority. What possible excuse is there for that, to spit on me like that? That it's legal!? Please note that Guidelines say challenged, then deleted, not just ZAP!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:E454:D78D:E92F:E1E6 (talk) 18:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Repairing damage of another hairtrigger Undo

I just spent hours trying to improve the article, and it was ruined by another inconsiderate bot-powered speedy-user's Undo when I tried to update a now-invalid article. I dont know how long it will take to re-assemble the remaining parts, so please don't undo my undo, which I had to do to post my fixes and additions. IOW, how about some time? I may need to sleep and etc...

  1. ^ One way to virtually read and participate in Usenet newsgroups using an ordinary Internet browser is to do an internet search on a known newsgroup, such as the high volume forum: "sci.physics". That search leads to https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sci.physics Retrieved April 28, 2019