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:As far as how certain terms are used, for better or worse, Wikipedia is here to document the reality of how those terms are used, not how certain people think they ''should'' be used. That's fine that you don't like calling people "black" or "white", and there are probably places on Wikipedia to explain that viewpoint, assuming you can find citations about that viewpoint, but given that the fact is that "black" and "white" are currently very commonly used terms, those terms will and should be used in articles in most/many contexts. There are plenty of places on Wikipedia where I see certain terms used in the context of being common speech that I find offensive and even harmful, but I know that unfortunately there is little I can do about it, so although I personally see no problem with the terms "black" and "white", I feel your pain. [[User:Vontheri|Vontheri]] ([[User talk:Vontheri|talk]]) 22:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
:As far as how certain terms are used, for better or worse, Wikipedia is here to document the reality of how those terms are used, not how certain people think they ''should'' be used. That's fine that you don't like calling people "black" or "white", and there are probably places on Wikipedia to explain that viewpoint, assuming you can find citations about that viewpoint, but given that the fact is that "black" and "white" are currently very commonly used terms, those terms will and should be used in articles in most/many contexts. There are plenty of places on Wikipedia where I see certain terms used in the context of being common speech that I find offensive and even harmful, but I know that unfortunately there is little I can do about it, so although I personally see no problem with the terms "black" and "white", I feel your pain. [[User:Vontheri|Vontheri]] ([[User talk:Vontheri|talk]]) 22:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

== Spain ==

Hello, I just wanted to point out that Spain is not mentioned at all. As I understand this is because there is already an article on Hispanic Americans due to their weight in American demographics, but I think the article should at least clarify why Spain is not considered in the article.

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The terms white and European American are not the same thing; 73% of the population are not European Americans.

The opening paragraph states "White and European Americans constitute the largest racial and ethnic group in the United States, composing 73.1% of the total U.S. population"; uh, what? According to the 2010 Census Bureau [1] , 72.4% of the population is identified as white with another 2% identifying as white mixed with something; not as European Americans. The percentage of Americans that identify as having primarily European ancestry is not sourced and it should not be confused as being the same as being identified as white. People from north Africa, the Middle East, and over 50% of Hispanics are included in the "white race" but most are not European. And, while I'm on the topic, although I do not believe the third paragraph is wholly accurate, it states "In the United States, the term European American is sometimes used interchangeably and synonymously with the broader terms white and Caucasian" acknowledging that the terms "white and Caucasian" are broader than the term "European Americans" meaning they do not refer to the same groups of people.

Also, under Terminology the second paragraph states "The term is used interchangeably with Caucasian American, White American, and Anglo American in many places around the United States." with the reference being a paper on Genomics where the authors referenced another publication when they made the referenced statement. In the original source, Peter J. Aspinall stated "The terms “white” and “Caucasian” are frequently and increasingly employed in the scientific literature in spite of widespread concern about the medicalization of race." [2] while describing the inherent problems of incorrectly grouping whites together in Great Britain. This does not support the statement, but instead describes how Great Britain could benefit by following the example of the U.S. by correctly identifying white minorities rather than grouping them all together. I wish we would all take a page from his book and stop referring to anyone as "white", or "black" for the same reason. White and black are not races according to the actual definition of the word "race" (but society won't let that get in the way of labeling people). Most of us understand we shouldn't call people of Asian descent "yellow" or Native American descent "red"; why are we still perpetuating this false dichotomy by calling people "black" and "white"?

Manfrozeninaglacier (talk) 03:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Census Bureau,.--Moxy (talk) 12:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
  2. ^ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953698002391
Manfrozeninaglacier: My interpretation of the sentence you quoted from the opening paragraph is that it is saying "white AND European American" are 73.1%. That means people who are white and/or European American. Like if something said "white and black are x%" you wouldn't take that as saying that "white" and "black" are synonymous, no?
As far as how certain terms are used, for better or worse, Wikipedia is here to document the reality of how those terms are used, not how certain people think they should be used. That's fine that you don't like calling people "black" or "white", and there are probably places on Wikipedia to explain that viewpoint, assuming you can find citations about that viewpoint, but given that the fact is that "black" and "white" are currently very commonly used terms, those terms will and should be used in articles in most/many contexts. There are plenty of places on Wikipedia where I see certain terms used in the context of being common speech that I find offensive and even harmful, but I know that unfortunately there is little I can do about it, so although I personally see no problem with the terms "black" and "white", I feel your pain. Vontheri (talk) 22:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spain

Hello, I just wanted to point out that Spain is not mentioned at all. As I understand this is because there is already an article on Hispanic Americans due to their weight in American demographics, but I think the article should at least clarify why Spain is not considered in the article.

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