Talk:Joker (2019 film)

Ref

• http://collider.com/joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-details/

JOEBRO64 14:39, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Rename

Shouldn't the page be renamed to Joker (2019 film) since it has already begun filming and has a release date of October 4, 2019. 101blazertrail (talk) 02:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Support. I was just about to bring this up! WP:PRIMARYFILM clearly states for films with the same name, if one is not the the primary topic, add the year of its first verifiable release (including film festival screenings). The page should be changed to Joker (2019 film) for disambiguation. I tried to move the page name myself but regulations wouldn't let me. Armegon (talk) 02:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Wikipedical (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Joker (upcoming film) → Joker (2019 film) – Per WP:PRIMARYFILM, it clearly states to "add the year of its first verifiable release (including film festival screenings)" if the film article is not the primary topic. Armegon (talk) 06:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Is there another film article simply called Joker? If not, then surely this rule applies: "If the film is not the primary topic, name its article after the film's title with the disambiguation '(film)' added at the end." --Mondo Beer (talk) 06:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

There's dozens of films with the title Joker, examples: The Joker (1928 film), Joker (1993 film), Joker (2000 film), Joker (2012 film). I'm fine with either Joker (film) or Joker (2019 film) but Joker (upcoming film) seems to go against wiki guidelines. Armegon (talk) 07:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per the source that states it is scheduled to be released in 2019. If it's delayed (or indeed released early), and moves to a different year, it can be changed again, if needed. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYFILM, which states: "For upcoming films where the release date is currently unknown, use (upcoming film) if disambiguation is necessary, for example Wikipedia (upcoming film). Once a release date has been confirmed by a reliable source, the page can then be moved to the correct year disambiguation". Date announced so there's no reason to keep this dab anymore.--Let There Be Sunshine 08:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support since the release year is now verifiable. It's always possible that could change, but the fact remains that the year is verifiable. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: It seems we have a consensus here in support of the move. Can someone with admin access now change the article title? Armegon (talk) 17:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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Lead actor

Rather surprised at the choice of Joaquin Phoenix to play The Joker when Jared Leto did such a great job in Suicide Squad (film) and is signed up to reprise his role in the sequel.

If there are any reasons why Phoenix was picked over Leto, I think they should be included in the Production section. 2600:8800:785:1300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 23:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

This film isn't in the DCEU, which is why Leto's not reprising his role here. JOEBRO64 23:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Rewrites

This might be worth mentioning somewhere, but according to one of the actors, the film is being rewritten as it was shot. DarkKnight2149 08:41, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

It's mentioned at the bottom of the filming section. I'll probably add a bit more to it when we get more details besides it was because there couldn't be reshoots. JOEBRO64 12:55, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Recently, there were also reports that the multitudes of leaked footage (such as this) was just a decoy for the Paparazzi, but I don't think that has been confirmed. https://revengeofthefans.com/2019/01/07/dc-whispers-shazam-trailer-birds-of-prey-costumes-joker-will-be-heartbreaking-more/ DarkKnight2149 20:28, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Universe?

Is this movie supposed to be in the DCEU or is it a Dark Knight prequel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.160.114.107 (talk) 00:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Read the article. It's supposed to be standalone with no connections to any prior franchise. JOEBRO64 01:21, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Runtime

Toronto International Film Festival says 122 minutes while Venice International Film Festival says 118 minutes. In my opinion we should remove it until we have another source like BBFC or AFI. --Mazewaxie 09:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Other posters released

Apparently other two posters have been released. Which one should we use? --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Phoenix as Joker

TheJoebro64, it is problematic to delay mentioning who plays the titular character when reliable sources overwhelmingly talk about this with the film. That avoidance being "common practice" in such articles is not a good thing. Groupthink is a problem that leads to a cookie-cutter approach to every such article without any flexibility. It is a kind of WP:OWNership to require that all such articles proceed with exactly the same wording. Here, Joaquin Phoenix's starring performance is mentioned after "DC Black", which is barely mentioned in reliable sources. In contrast, pretty much all sources repeatedly talk about Phoenix as the Joker. Other elements are relatively minor compared to mentioning that upfront. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 19:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I've revised it a bit. However, I really don't see the issue with the previous format. IMO it's bad form to just shove Phoenix in the first sentence without introducing the film properly (and put him before Phillips, who is arguably more important). JOEBRO64 20:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Reviews

Add this review please, IGN gave the film 10/10 and called it a masterpiece https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/31/joker-movie-review I'd add them myself but the article is locked and doesn't even allowed flagged edits (I think IGN in particular as a website influence by video games is more in tune with comic book movies than other mainstream critics that are notable enough to be listed on Metacritic). Add other reviews too, it is always a good idea to add a review from Variety. Other reviews such as the review from RogerEbert.com are more critical of the story and borrowed ideas. I'd add it myself already if the article wasn't locked. -- 109.78.193.37 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2019 (UTC)