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== Civility in portal deletion discussions == |
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'''Initiated by ''' [[User:ToThAc|ToThAc]] ([[User talk:ToThAc|talk]]) '''at''' 16:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
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=== Involved parties === |
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*{{userlinks|ToThAc}}, ''filing party'' |
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*{{admin|BrownHairedGirl}} |
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*{{admin|Northamerica1000}} |
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*{{userlinks|Robert McClenon}} |
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*{{userlinks|Moxy}} |
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*{{userlinks|Mark Schierbecker}} |
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*{{userlinks|Newshunter12}} |
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;Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request |
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*[diff of notification BrownHairedGirl] |
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*[diff of notification Northamerica1000] |
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*[diff of notification Robert McClenon] |
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*[diff of notification Moxy] |
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*[diff of notification Mark Schierbecker] |
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*[diff of notification Newshunter12] |
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;Confirmation that other steps in [[Wikipedia:dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] have been tried |
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*[[Special:Diff/890992728|Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Portal Issues]] (declined) |
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*[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020#Portal updates reverted|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020 § Portal updates reverted]] |
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*[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Portals|Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Portals]] (See [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Previous portal discussions|here]] for additional discussions.) |
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=== Statement by ToThAc === |
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This has been a recurring debate ever since the [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Mass-created portals based on a single navbox|separate]] [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Second batch of mass-created portals based on a single navbox|mass deletions]] of portalspam created by {{u|The Transhumanist}}. |
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As summarized in {{u|Robert McClenon}}'s [[Wikipedia:The Problems with Portals|essay on issues surrounding portals]], the necessity of portals in general has been heavily debated over the course of several months. In April 2018, The Transhumanist started [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals|an RfC on deprecating portals]], which was closed with a rough consensus to not delete all portals. However, a few users took this as a sign that Wikipedia needed more portals, and began creating automated spam that eventually led to [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive307|a portal topic ban applied to The Transhumanist]] and the aforementioned mass deletions. |
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However, several users, myself included, have repeatedly called the necessity of certain portals into question, and have slowly been nominating additional portals for deletion. This has caused us to clash with the so-called "portal advocates" who wish to keep certain portals. |
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More recently, this has led to extremely heated arguments between BrownHairedGirl and Northamerica1000. During portal deletion discussions, both users have displayed, at best, questionable behavior. BHG has become increasingly frustrated with her interactions with NA1k, even [[Wikipedia:Hounding|going as far as to]] calling him "[[Special:Diff/920897512|sneaky]]" and "[[Special:Diff/925456783|either a liar or an idiot or both]]". However, NA1k's actions are also a cause for concern; he has repeatedly demonstrated [[Wikipedia:Fait accompli|fait accompli]] behavior, failing to disclose his methodology for the kinds of selected content he added to portals, not to mention implementing said changes without an adequate community consensus. (While NA1k's proposed organization method of selected content ''was'' well-received in [[Wikipedia talk:Portal/Guidelines/Archive 6#Portals are moribound|this discussion]], nothing there was ever formally closed, and NA1k has failed to cite whether he based his edits off of that discussion.) The ongoing back-and-forth at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Transport|the deletion discussion for Portal:Transport]] is a good example of what I'm talking about here. |
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However, as generally agreed upon in [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Portals|this ANI discussion]], singling out one user in this whole mess would appear to poison the atmosphere one way or another. Since it appears that nothing else has succeeded in cooling this debate, I strongly urge the Arbitration Committee to review the conduct of all users involved in this debate, myself included. [[User:ToThAc|ToThAc]] ([[User talk:ToThAc|talk]]) 16:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by BrownHairedGirl === |
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=== Statement by Northamerica1000 === |
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=== Statement by Robert McClenon === |
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=== Statement by Moxy === |
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=== Statement by Mark Schierbecker === |
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=== Statement by Newshunter12 === |
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=== Statement by {Non-party} === |
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Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. |
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=== Civility in portal deletion discussions: Clerk notes === |
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:''This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).'' |
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=== Civility in portal deletion discussions: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0> === |
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{{anchor|1=Civility in portal deletion discussions: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)</small> |
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Revision as of 16:52, 18 November 2019
Requests for arbitration
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Request name | Motions | Initiated | Votes |
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Civility in portal deletion discussions | 18 November 2019 | 0/0/0 |
Request name | Motions | Case | Posted |
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Amendment request: Article titles and capitalisation | none | (orig. case) | 7 June 2024 |
Clarification request: mentioning the name of off-wiki threads | none | none | 4 June 2024 |
Amendment request: India-Pakistan | none | (orig. case) | 7 June 2024 |
Clarification request: Contentious topics restrictions | none | none | 10 June 2024 |
Amendment request: World War II and the history of Jews in Poland | none | (orig. case) | 21 June 2024 |
Motion name | Date posted |
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Block of Rp2006 | 21 June 2024 |
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Civility in portal deletion discussions
Initiated by ToThAc (talk) at 16:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Involved parties
- ToThAc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- BrownHairedGirl (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Northamerica1000 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
- Robert McClenon (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Moxy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Mark Schierbecker (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Newshunter12 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
- [diff of notification BrownHairedGirl]
- [diff of notification Northamerica1000]
- [diff of notification Robert McClenon]
- [diff of notification Moxy]
- [diff of notification Mark Schierbecker]
- [diff of notification Newshunter12]
- Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
- Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case § Portal Issues (declined)
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1020 § Portal updates reverted
- Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § Portals (See here for additional discussions.)
Statement by ToThAc
This has been a recurring debate ever since the separate mass deletions of portalspam created by The Transhumanist.
As summarized in Robert McClenon's essay on issues surrounding portals, the necessity of portals in general has been heavily debated over the course of several months. In April 2018, The Transhumanist started an RfC on deprecating portals, which was closed with a rough consensus to not delete all portals. However, a few users took this as a sign that Wikipedia needed more portals, and began creating automated spam that eventually led to a portal topic ban applied to The Transhumanist and the aforementioned mass deletions.
However, several users, myself included, have repeatedly called the necessity of certain portals into question, and have slowly been nominating additional portals for deletion. This has caused us to clash with the so-called "portal advocates" who wish to keep certain portals.
More recently, this has led to extremely heated arguments between BrownHairedGirl and Northamerica1000. During portal deletion discussions, both users have displayed, at best, questionable behavior. BHG has become increasingly frustrated with her interactions with NA1k, even going as far as to calling him "sneaky" and "either a liar or an idiot or both". However, NA1k's actions are also a cause for concern; he has repeatedly demonstrated fait accompli behavior, failing to disclose his methodology for the kinds of selected content he added to portals, not to mention implementing said changes without an adequate community consensus. (While NA1k's proposed organization method of selected content was well-received in this discussion, nothing there was ever formally closed, and NA1k has failed to cite whether he based his edits off of that discussion.) The ongoing back-and-forth at the deletion discussion for Portal:Transport is a good example of what I'm talking about here.
However, as generally agreed upon in this ANI discussion, singling out one user in this whole mess would appear to poison the atmosphere one way or another. Since it appears that nothing else has succeeded in cooling this debate, I strongly urge the Arbitration Committee to review the conduct of all users involved in this debate, myself included. ToThAc (talk) 16:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Statement by BrownHairedGirl
Statement by Northamerica1000
Statement by Robert McClenon
Statement by Moxy
Statement by Mark Schierbecker
Statement by Newshunter12
Statement by {Non-party}
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information.
Civility in portal deletion discussions: Clerk notes
- This area is used for notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).
Civility in portal deletion discussions: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/0/0>
Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse)