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Birthdate

The source for birth year of 2005 is e-talenta which purports to be a casting registry. Not a great source but likely the info is fed by agents and reports what an actress' agent wants to be known about her for casting and employment decisions. The only reference I've seen for day and month is a dated twitter entry from her verified twitter account titled "My Birthday!" the date of the entry as adjusted to display in my timezone as 8:31 AM - 19 Jan 2018. Presumption being that she posted it on her birthday which is not explicit in what she wrote and disputed by other following edits after that info was posted in the article. Normally a verified twitter from the article's topic would be sufficient per WP:ABOUTSELF if the statement is unambiguously clear which it is not in this instance. WP:BLPPRIVACY is not met with that twitter info in this case. The year info is sufficient to give age range in this article, more detail is not needed and this is private info about a minor so extra care needs to be taken to not post info the person or person's guardian has not clearly and unambiguously indicated that it is OK to publish. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Private info about a minor? It's just her birthday.. not the route she takes to school in the morning.. who cares? www.famousbirthdays.com also lists her birthday as January 19, 2005, making her 13 years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.105.107.235 (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BLPPRIVACY, which is a Wikipedia policy statement, for why we care. www.famousbirthdays.com is not a reliable source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:05, 16 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

According to Dafne's latest instagram photo her birthday was on the 4th of January and she is now 14; putting her birthday as January 4 2005 RoboBongoCuckooCop (talk)

Meets WP:ABOUTSELF and also illustrates lack of reliability of famousbirthdays.com as a source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Debrett's Peerage source for descent from 6th Earl Howe

There has in the past evidently been some doubt cast on the fact that Dafne Keen is a descendant of the 6th Earl Howe. Dafne Keen is accepted to be daughter of actor Will Keen and Maria Fernandez Ache, whom he married in 2002; Debrett's 2011 (148th ed.), p. 799, in the pedigree of the Earls Howe, in the section detailing descendants of the 6th Earl, clearly shows William Walter Maurice Keen (b. 1970) to have married, in 2002, Maria Fernandez Hernandez ('Ache', it's worth observing, being the Spanish pronunciation of 'H'., presumably the source of her pseudonym), daughter of of Manuel Fernandez Delgado, and their daughter being Dafne Maria, b. 2005. This well-respected source is sufficient in countless other articles, but for some reason not this one? It almost comes across as a concerted effort to keep this information from the article, which is rather strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.68.131 (talk) 23:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keen family and relatives

The article on Alice Oswald's poetry collection [1] identifies her brother as 'actor Will Keen' ('Her father is a retired banker, her mother the garden designer Mary Keen, her brother the actor Will Keen.'). The article on Mary Keen [2] (she simply doesn't use her first name of 'Priscilla', which makes sense as it was also her mother's name; as also clearly shown here https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp130975/lady-priscilla-mary-rose-keen-nee-curzon) mentions both Alice Oswald and Laura Beatty as her children: 'Keen lives in Gloucestershire with her husband, Charles, with whom she has four children... My third daughter, Alice [Oswald, the poet]... my daughter Laura [Beatty], who is a writer...' Therefore the three are siblings, and Dafne Keen, Will's daughter, is the niece of Alice Oswald and Laura Beatty.

This all matches up with the Debrett's 2011 pedigree of the Earls Howe, which under descendants of the 6th Earl, gives the full names of all these siblings and their marriages. This firmly- beyond any shadow of a doubt- establishes the identities of all these individuals.

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 ==Debrett's Peerage source for descent from 6th Earl Howe==
 There has in the past evidently been some doubt cast on the fact that Dafne Keen is a descendant of the 6th Earl Howe. Dafne Keen is accepted to be daughter of actor Will Keen and Maria Fernandez Ache, whom he married in 2002; Debrett's 2011 (148th ed.), p. 799, in the pedigree of the Earls Howe, in the section detailing descendants of the 6th Earl, clearly shows William Walter Maurice Keen (b. 1970) to have married, in 2002, Maria Fernandez Hernandez ('Ache', it's worth observing, being the Spanish pronunciation of 'H'., presumably the source of her pseudonym), daughter of of Manuel Fernandez Delgado, and their daughter being Dafne Maria, b. 2005. This well-respected source is sufficient in countless other articles, but for some reason not this one? It almost comes across as a concerted effort to keep this information from the article, which is rather strange.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.144.68.131|78.144.68.131]] ([[User talk:78.144.68.131#top|talk]]) 23:14, 18 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+==Keen family and relatives==
+The article on Alice Oswald's poetry collection [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3588888/Going-with-the-flow.html] identifies her brother as 'actor Will Keen' ('Her father is a retired banker, her mother the garden designer Mary Keen, her brother the actor Will Keen.'). The article on Mary Keen [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening/gardens-to-visit/the-world-of-mary-keen/] (she simply doesn't use her first name of 'Priscilla', which makes sense as it was also her mother's name; as also clearly shown here https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp130975/lady-priscilla-mary-rose-keen-nee-curzon) mentions both Alice Oswald and Laura Beatty as her children: 'Keen lives in Gloucestershire with her husband, Charles, with whom she has four children... My third daughter, Alice [Oswald, the poet]... my daughter Laura [Beatty], who is a writer...' Therefore the three are siblings, and Dafne Keen, Will's daughter, is the niece of Alice Oswald and Laura Beatty.
+This all matches up with the Debrett's 2011 pedigree of the Earls Howe, which under descendants of the 6th Earl, gives the full names of all these siblings and their marriages. This firmly- beyond any shadow of a doubt- establishes the identities of all these individuals.