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[[Ferrari 812 Superfast]] should be merged into this page. To wit: while the [[Ferrari 575M Maranello]] has designation <code>F133</code>, the [[Ferrari 599]] is <code>F141</code>, and the F12 has <code>F152</code>, the 812's designation is <code>F152M</code>. Coupling the refresh type designation with other auto-journalism sources pre-release and at release-time confirming this as a refresh<ref name="newmotoring-16apr2016">{{cite web|last=Ward|first=Seán|date=16 April 2016 |title=The Ferrari F12 Is About To Get A Refresh|url=http://newmotoring.com/the-ferrari-f12-is-about-to-get-a-refresh/ |work=NewMotoring|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref><ref name="performancedrive-06feb2017">{{cite web|last=Davis|first=Brett|date=6 February 2017|title=Update coming for Ferrari F12, to get 597kW 6.5L engine|url=https://performancedrive.com.au/update-coming-ferrari-f12-get-597kw-6-5l-engine-0613/|work=Performance Drive|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref><ref name="autoblog-08Mar2017">{{cite web|last=Berk|first=Brett|date=8 March 2017|title=Ferrari 812 Superfast: It looks like it sounds|url=https://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/08/ferrari-812-superfast-design-history/|work=Autoblog|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref>, the two articles should be merged, or if not, the 812 should be specifically designated as a refresh of the F12. The [[Ferrari F12]] should be the parent article, with content from the [[Ferrari 812 Superfast]] article merged in. [[User:Eganist|Eganist]] ([[User talk:Eganist|talk]]) 16:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
[[Ferrari 812 Superfast]] should be merged into this page. To wit: while the [[Ferrari 575M Maranello]] has designation <code>F133</code>, the [[Ferrari 599]] is <code>F141</code>, and the F12 has <code>F152</code>, the 812's designation is <code>F152M</code>. Coupling the refresh type designation with other auto-journalism sources pre-release and at release-time confirming this as a refresh<ref name="newmotoring-16apr2016">{{cite web|last=Ward|first=Seán|date=16 April 2016 |title=The Ferrari F12 Is About To Get A Refresh|url=http://newmotoring.com/the-ferrari-f12-is-about-to-get-a-refresh/ |work=NewMotoring|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref><ref name="performancedrive-06feb2017">{{cite web|last=Davis|first=Brett|date=6 February 2017|title=Update coming for Ferrari F12, to get 597kW 6.5L engine|url=https://performancedrive.com.au/update-coming-ferrari-f12-get-597kw-6-5l-engine-0613/|work=Performance Drive|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref><ref name="autoblog-08Mar2017">{{cite web|last=Berk|first=Brett|date=8 March 2017|title=Ferrari 812 Superfast: It looks like it sounds|url=https://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/08/ferrari-812-superfast-design-history/|work=Autoblog|accessdate=27 January 2020}}</ref>, the two articles should be merged, or if not, the 812 should be specifically designated as a refresh of the F12. The [[Ferrari F12]] should be the parent article, with content from the [[Ferrari 812 Superfast]] article merged in. [[User:Eganist|Eganist]] ([[User talk:Eganist|talk]]) 16:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
:Absolutely not, M-suffix indicates a new model, new model equals separate article. It is not a refresh it is a new model based on a modified preexisting chassis. [[User:Ybsone|YBSOne]] ([[User talk:Ybsone|talk]]) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
:Absolutely not, M-suffix indicates a new model, new model equals separate article. It is not a refresh it is a new model based on a modified preexisting chassis. [[User:Ybsone|YBSOne]] ([[User talk:Ybsone|talk]]) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
::Do you have a citation for a suffix to a model code indicating a new model and not a refresh of the current model? [[User:Eganist|Eganist]] ([[User talk:Eganist|talk]]) 20:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
::Do you have a citation for a suffix to a model code indicating a new model and not a refresh of the current model? Because considering the model numbers are identical save for the M suffix and considering the history of Ferrari using new model codes for new models, as well as considering the citations I provided, it seems the definition you gave for the M suffix is in dispute. [[User:Eganist|Eganist]] ([[User talk:Eganist|talk]]) 20:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

'''Merge''' - My reasoning given above in the opening. This is my vote, for the sake of polling. [[User:Eganist|Eganist]] ([[User talk:Eganist|talk]]) 20:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


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Move?

According to the official website, the correct name of the car appears to be 'F12berlinetta' (lowercase b, no space), rather than 'F12 Berlinetta'. Does anyone else think this article should be moved to Ferrari F12berlinetta? CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:05, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No - the website address has no space, but the main text does have a space so is actually advertised as "F12 berlinetta". And the convention in Wikiledia is to use capitals for names which I see the Italian and French wikis have used the capital B for this article. In due course I could imagine it needing to be just "F12" as the 599 article is when the various derivatives are launched in time. Warren (talk) 12:27, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the name is F12berlinetta, you can check the correct name on ferrari.com (article in italian, article in english), and it.wikipedia moved the page at it:Ferrari F12berlinetta --79.18.187.106 (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
After revising WP:MOSTM, I'm now inclined slightly towards 'F12 Berlinetta', which seems so far to be the common parlance version. In all honesty, this isn't a critical issue, and because the car was only announced a day ago, it might be better to let the dust settle then see which version everyone prefers. CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's the same case of Volkswagen up!. Ferrari called his car F12berlinetta (lowercase b, no space, all attacked), so why we should do the opposite? The F12berlinetta is built by Ferrari, not by magazines :-) --79.13.187.137 (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was swayed mainly by MOSTM's examples of Time (magazine) and Kiss (band) (which are officially 'TIME' and 'KISS'). Consensus seems to have settled on F12berlinetta by now though. CaptainVindaloo t c e 03:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

The article looks good so far. Since it's still new enough to be eligible, how about we have a go at the Did You Know column on the main page? I've thought of a hook:

Did you know ... that at 730 horsepower, the 2012 Ferrari F12berlinetta is the most powerful road going Ferrari to date?

CaptainVindaloo t c e 03:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good -->Typ932 T·C 05:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done: Template:Did you know nominations/Ferrari F12berlinetta, Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on February 29. CaptainVindaloo t c e 00:30, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We've been accepted. Thanks Yoninah! CaptainVindaloo t c e 02:33, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tyres or Tires

Surely if the this European car manufacturer spells it 'tyres'[1] on their own English website then the article could use the non-USA spelling. It says 'tyres' in the actual text later on. Andrew ranfurly (talk) 02:00, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tyres is acceptable per WP:ENGVAR. Bahooka (talk) 04:42, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
checkY It's done. —Cloverleaf II (talk) 10:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal

Ferrari 812 Superfast should be merged into this page. To wit: while the Ferrari 575M Maranello has designation F133, the Ferrari 599 is F141, and the F12 has F152, the 812's designation is F152M. Coupling the refresh type designation with other auto-journalism sources pre-release and at release-time confirming this as a refresh[2][3][4], the two articles should be merged, or if not, the 812 should be specifically designated as a refresh of the F12. The Ferrari F12 should be the parent article, with content from the Ferrari 812 Superfast article merged in. Eganist (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely not, M-suffix indicates a new model, new model equals separate article. It is not a refresh it is a new model based on a modified preexisting chassis. YBSOne (talk) 19:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a citation for a suffix to a model code indicating a new model and not a refresh of the current model? Because considering the model numbers are identical save for the M suffix and considering the history of Ferrari using new model codes for new models, as well as considering the citations I provided, it seems the definition you gave for the M suffix is in dispute. Eganist (talk) 20:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - My reasoning given above in the opening. This is my vote, for the sake of polling. Eganist (talk) 20:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ferrari website F12 spec
  2. ^ Ward, Seán (16 April 2016). "The Ferrari F12 Is About To Get A Refresh". NewMotoring. Retrieved 27 January 2020.
  3. ^ Davis, Brett (6 February 2017). "Update coming for Ferrari F12, to get 597kW 6.5L engine". Performance Drive. Retrieved 27 January 2020.
  4. ^ Berk, Brett (8 March 2017). "Ferrari 812 Superfast: It looks like it sounds". Autoblog. Retrieved 27 January 2020.
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