Wikipedia talk:Russian Wikipedians' notice board

COTW vs. RCOTW

Does RCOTW mean that a person should not nominate a Russia-related topic in a general COTW section from now on? Could somebody clarify this? KNewman 03:22, Nov 28, 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure the word Collaboration can extend to inter-notice-board collaboration. Lets try any see. Seabhcán 12:55, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Red Terror

Could someone tell me if the phrase, "Red Terror" was used by early Soviet leaders? Fred Bauder 16:50, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

• Trotsky: the whole book in 1920, The Defence of Terrorism.
• Chicherin: Soviet Government Explains Red Terror. Chicherin to Major Wardwell. 11 September 1918
• Lenin loved the word "terror", just as he loved the Paris Commune. Most probably he picked the word from them.

Mikkalai 20:23, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• • Hi, Fred! I found this info with regards to your question on the Russian board. The assassination of Moisei Uritsky, along with the assassination attempt on Vladimir Lenin, provoked the Bolsheviks to issue a decree "On Red Terror" (О красном терроре, its official name in Russian), signed sometime the fall of 1918 by Grigory Petrovsky (People's Commissar of the Interior), Dmitry Kursky (People's Commissar of Justice) and Vladimir Bonch-Bruyevich (Sovnarkom's Administration). I hope this helps. I should probably add this paragraph to the Red Terror article itself. KNewman 20:41, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Tsars

A couple of months ago I mercilessly cleaned all Russia-related topics from my watch list, and here you go! Someone managed to delete an article about a Russian tsar! Would someone of you russophiles like to put all Tsars, Veliki Kniazes, Emperors, etc. on your watch list? Mikkalai 20:27, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• Hi, Mikkalai! Which article are you talking about, exactly? Do you mean this one - List of Russian rulers? KNewman 20:44, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
  • Sorry. I was lazy to write which tsar. It was Vasili IV of Russia. It quietly went thru Copyvio and then was deleted without vfd. I restored it. Mikkalai 23:51, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

To Admins

I'm sure the Wikipedian Russian community is larger than this. You have to figure out ways to do mass mailings and let the Russian-speaking participants know that RCOTW exists. I don't know how you, guys, plan on doing this, but it has to be done the sooner the better. Otherwise, Moscow State University will be the first and the last RCOTW in English Wikipedia. A concerned Wikipidean, KNewman 14:27, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

Google the following "User Russia OR Moscow OR Petersburg OR kremlin OR USSR OR Soviet site:.en.wikipedia.org" gives 592 hits, most of which seem to be Wikipedian User pages. We should post invite messages on these User Talk pages.

For the Russian Wikipedians, as in ru.wikipedia.org users, we can just post a message on Main Talk Page. My Russian grammar is laughable, any native speakers want to do this? Seabhcán 15:48, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

If you provide me with the text in English, I'll translate and post it.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 17:58, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

I just did some work on the MSU page. Maybe the references to Russian wikipedians are a bit narrow? Even an expat of Russian descent would not necessarily consider themselves Russian. Maybe refer to a Russian wikipedians and russian interest notice board or something like that? Also, some speakers of both Russian and English would be good as a lot of material out there is not in English. My local library has a shelf of books in Russian, none of them published prior to 1990. Anyhow, a section like this is not going to take off right away, it needs time. I just happened to stumble across it, I didn't even know of its existence until today and I have been editing many pages related to Russia. Ruy Lopez 07:33, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would also say nominating interesting articles for Collaboration of the Week is necessary. Moscow State University and Left Opposition are topics of interest to me. Even stuff like Agriculture of the Soviet Union is of interest to me, including endless debates over how productive Soviet agriculture was. No dull topics have been nominated yet, but it should be remembered that nominating dull topics while this section is trying to take off will not attract people. Ruy Lopez 07:35, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I made a great edit to MSU article, but my cumputer hanged before I had the chance to save it :(. Maybe I'll retype all that stuff again, but now I can't. Grue 07:16, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• I wouldn't say MGU is a very fascinating topic for the grand opening of the RCOTW. And it's been stuck here for too long. This is exactly why people are not participating. It is not challenging enough, because it seems that we know everything about it already. KNewman 02:57, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
• Lets pick something new - there's no shortage of stub pages on russia: Category:Russia-related stubs Seabhcán 22:00, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Russia-Stub

Please make the charter for the stub notice more detailed.

• In particular, is it related to modern Russia only? Or it covers issues from pre-Imperial Russia, Imperial Russia and Soviet Russia as well?
• What is the relationship with USSR-related issues?

Mikkalai 17:53, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It is my understanding that "Russia-stub" relates to any stub that concerns Russia. It would cover pre-Imperial, Imperial, Soviet, and modern Russia equally. If the subject of the stub can be further classified, I assume there are going to be multiple stub messages (Andrey Vyshinsky, for example, would fall under both "Russia-stub" and "biography-stub"). If my understanding is incorrect, would the originator of the "Russia-stub" please let us all know here. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 19:03, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Losing faith

It looks like the RCOTW was stillborn from the beginning... It's either no one knows that it exists or people just need a kick in the b*tt. I thought this project would be a huge success. Where are those wikipedians, who held endless debates over Chechnya, Russkaya Pravda, Holodomor, Joseph Stalin and other articles? Wake up and act! KNewman 04:16, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

What do you actually propose? Is there a plan of action? Making a list of tasks and adding them to the page was a good idea. What else? What can we do better as a group rather than as individuals?

As for articles, I would like to bring attention to the fact, that, for example an article Second Chechen War was turned into an incoherent rambling (sections with {{NPOV}}) by a single determined editor. It can be cleaned up by us as a group. --Gene s 08:23, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

We have no shortage of interest in the history related articles, but what I'd like to see is more up to date information about current conditions and events, information about which there is very little published information in English. Fred Bauder 13:06, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Medieval Russian states

Hi, there is a discussion at Talk:List of state leaders in 1124 about what is and what is not an independent state in 1124 (I just picked an arbitary medieval year). The list has some Russian states - Kiev, of course (which is definitely independent so it is on the main article), Novgorod, etc etc. If anyone here knows which states are independent at this period and which are part of a larger state, it would be a great help. Thanks! Adam Bishop 20:20, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ukrainian famine

The topic of Ukrainian famine of 1932-1933 is covered in detail in Collectivisation in the USSR. If you still feel there's need for expansion or a separate article, let us know your reasons and suggestions. Thanks! KNewman 21:48, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Ukraine usurped the famine for its political reasons. The famine affected the whole South-West of Soviet Union: Ukraine, Lower Volga, Stavropol Krai, Northern Cacasus. Also, one should start from Famines in Imperial Russia and Soviet Union, to demonstrate that these famines struck regularly every 10-12 years, i.e., they were not a murderous plot of bolsheviks (although admittedly Stalin made a good use of it). Mikkalai 18:29, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Old Ruthenian language

Please vote at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Old_Ruthenian_language__.26rarr.3B_Old_Russian_language

finding a better Russian translation for "wikisource"

Please see the discussion at wikisource:Talk:Заглавная Страница#викисорс-викисос... BACbKA 16:55, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A couple of articles on Russian history

A couple of articles Michael I of Russia and Vasili IV of Russia are being reverted by two people, who refuse to discuss the changes in any meaningful way. Please take a look at what is happening. --Gene s 09:20, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Na Sibir s nyemi! Space Cadet 09:23, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Polish-Soviet War

I am trying to clean out the heavy POV out of this article, but I keep getting reverted without cause by Polish nationalist editors. Can anyone here help me out? Thanks. 172 22:13, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What make you think that Russians want to cover up the crimes of the Soviet Union? Fred Bauder 22:17, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

Fred, read Wikipedia:No personal attacks. I reported you before during the Arbcom election and I will not hesitate to report you again. I made this posting here because there are a number of well-informed users involved whom I'm sure are familiar with the topic. 172 22:22, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You just threaten everybody to show your superiority as an admin. Ok, You are. Now can You do something constructive? Space Cadet 22:35, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fred Bauder is an admin too and also an arbitrator. His status is higher than mine. Now can You do something constructive? Like correct factual inaccuracies and NPOV history articles? Oh, wait, thanks to you I can't do that for now on Polish-Sovet War, because you created the need to have that article protected. 172 22:46, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

No, YOU created the need to have that article protected. I've always though that admins were neutral..., its seems not in the case of Russian admins.--Emax 23:06, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

I believe the actions of Emax and Space_Cadet are disruptive. Specifically, I object that neither one of them is willing to discuss the changes in any kind of a meaningful way. Such behavior is abusive. --Gene s 08:04, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Polish-Soviet War - different wording

Uvazhayemyie Gospoda! (Doesn't it look hillarious in English transcription? :) ) We've had a little disagreement over the wording of the Polish-Soviet War article recently. The article was written mostly by Polish contributors and then replaced by 172's own version, which is currently disputed.

We kindly invite you to add your 2 kopeks to the cooperative effort of preparing a great article out of it. Also, there is a draft version of 172's header being worked on at User:172/Polish-Soviet War. Please participate! Halibutt 14:08, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

The page is protected. --Gene s 15:35, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Bah, I forgot about that. But still, Talk:Polish-Soviet War and User:172/Polish-Soviet War are not blocked and can be used. Halibutt 15:43, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)

Historical revisionism

It has been proposed that page Old Ruthenian language be renamed and moved to Old Russian language. The consensus has been reached at Wikipedia:Requested moves and the page was moved to the Old East Slavic language.

This notice just got removed from this page's news items, after quite a few days with no comment. Am I the only one who sees the irony? —Michael Z. 16:39, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)

Oh, it's there! Would that all could see it! Genyo 23:45, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)