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:::Like I said, if you have reliable, independent sources, you can create a draft and put it through [[WP:AFC|AfC]] (sorry, meant AfC, not AfD). The link you posted appears to be a press release, and press releases are not independent (and so don't establish notability). Also, the page was not "approved by a Wiki admin" - it was undeleted in 2016, but that's not the same thing as approval. It's not so much "it's not notable anymore" as "it wasn't notable in the first place," it's just that nobody submitted it for a deletion discussion until now. You seem to have a connection with the company, so as I said before, I recommend just letting it stay deleted; trying to push for an article about a company you're affiliated with isn't likely to get the article created. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett#top|talk]]) 00:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Like I said, if you have reliable, independent sources, you can create a draft and put it through [[WP:AFC|AfC]] (sorry, meant AfC, not AfD). The link you posted appears to be a press release, and press releases are not independent (and so don't establish notability). Also, the page was not "approved by a Wiki admin" - it was undeleted in 2016, but that's not the same thing as approval. It's not so much "it's not notable anymore" as "it wasn't notable in the first place," it's just that nobody submitted it for a deletion discussion until now. You seem to have a connection with the company, so as I said before, I recommend just letting it stay deleted; trying to push for an article about a company you're affiliated with isn't likely to get the article created. [[User:Creffett|creffett]] ([[User talk:Creffett#top|talk]]) 00:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
::::I don't have any connection with the company for more than 2 years. So I don't really care if it's approved/deleted. But I consider it notable because of the product they developed and improved since 2013 onwards. Also, let's say finance.yahoo.com is not independent, I don't really know, but what is trully independent beside, maybe, Wikipedia. There were several sources listed on the deleted page. Were all of them promotional/affiliated? Let's take a look at this Wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrafft%27s it has broken links as references, but we have there a link to a book for sale on Amazon, one on books.google.com. I am not saying Schrafft's is not notable cause it is, but the sources don't strike me as independent.


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Question concerning "Open Product Management Workflow" article

Hi Creffett, you just moved my article to draftspace because it has not enough sources and citations. Because I'm not experienced enough would it be possible to help me editing, so that I can republish it? The Open Product Management Workflow is an important basis and model to visualize all the product management steps, that need to be done in that job. Following two books (one more in German language) are written on that topic:

  • "Strategic Product Management according to Open Product Management Workflow"
  • "Technical Product Management according to Open Product Management Workflow"

The Workflow as image can already be found in Wikipedia's article "Product Management" and both mentioned books are linked as sources for further reading + references. Do you think these books might serve as trusted sources for the "Open Product Management Workflow" article?

Thanks a lot, --BCharly (talk) 15:06, 13 January 2020 (UTC)BCharly[reply]

Hi BCharly! So here's the main issue that I see: other than the images, all of the sources go back to the OPMW framework itself (if I'm understanding correctly that Frank Lemser created it or is a major contributor). Wikipedia's notability rules require significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. In order to establish notability, you'll need to find reliable sources (newspapers, books by other people, etc - see the earlier link for more details) that are independent of the framework. Separately, the tone of the article needs some work - articles are supposed to be written as factual summaries, not as how-to articles. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 14:54, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Creffett, now I understand. The problem is, most product managers just apply the workflow at work and don't write about it... As there are no other sources about the workflow please feel free to delete the article from the draftspace/Wikipedia. I already spent much time to write about it but now I'm absolutely unmotivated and not going to work on it further. Greetings, --BCharly (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)BCharly[reply]

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Thank you for the welcome!!! Edits2020 —Preceding undated comment added 14:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arrek3313

sir, but the cited articles no exists now, so I fix it to not have an automatic redirect. It is still a good site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 03:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The url with id=somenumber just redirect to the home, so I fix that. No need to revert it. It is same destination 100% test it your end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 03:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arrek3313 If the cited article doesn't exist, then we want to keep the link to the archived version. The purpose of the citation is to provide a reference to the specific page or article that supports the statement, not just link to the website. If the URL with id= redirects to the homepage, then presumably the page being cited has moved - the most useful thing you could do is find where that page moved to on the website and link to it. creffett (talk) 04:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where it move, but for the current timing, I just fix the redirect. it is the proper tech form... to have less redirect... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrek3313 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vrikshamandir

I am new to Wikipedia. Tried add links to page on Dr Ravi Mathai first Director of IIM Ahmedabad. I found that names of Dr Michael Halse and Dr Vergese Kurien were also mentioned as the three ( Mathai Kurien and Halse) contributed to establishment of the Institute of Rural Managament Anand. I added a link to the page on Dr Halse that I wrote. I had worked with Dr Kurien and Mike for long years. I find that link is still there on Ravi Mathai page.

I probably added a few more links from Dairy India Yearbook website. Were those the links that were removed because of policy violations?

I want to understand what to do and not to while adding or editing on Wikipedia.

Please help me understand. I would be grateful.

Thank you 🙏 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrikshamandir (talk • contribs)

Vrikshamandir, the basic issue is that linking to your own website isn't considered appropriate (per the policy on external links, you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent). We invite you to contribute to all of these pages, but please make sure that your changes are supported by reliable sources, not just personal recollections. I will post a note on your talk page with some more information. creffett (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your clarification. I will be careful and not link my own website. The problem is that this man Dr Halse who made such a contribution to Dairying in India, setting up of IIMA and IRMA doesn’t get much recognition. That’s what made me do what I did. Any way I will not link my website.
I take it that I can post links to another website where there are some articles on Dr Halse including one by Dr Ray Goldberg Profession Emeritus Harvard Business School.
That way I will not be violating the Wikipedia policy.
Thank you for your advice and clarifications. I greatly appreciate and would abide by the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vrikshamandir (talk • contribs)

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Asking a permission to cancem the speedy deletion of my article.

Hi Creffet, Cam you help me to cancel the speedy deletion of my article? What do I need to do to cancel the deletion of my article? Pls help me.. Ketsrubelle 15:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ketsrubelle (talk • contribs)

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Hi, I've blocked Importdoortodoor on the English Wikipedia but I appear to be unable to delete their user page as it comes from meta. I'm not logged in to meta and I don't have my phone handy to go through 2FA... if you have an account there could you tag the user page for speedy deletion over on meta? [And a whinge from me as I shout at the clouds: why don't I get logged in automatically to sister sites if I'm logged in here? sigh] --kingboyk (talk) 19:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kingboyk, will do. creffett (talk) 00:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Caroline de Costa BLP

Hi Creffett, thanks for your feedback about the wikipedia article on Caroline De Costa. This was the first time I've edited a wikipedia page and I've obviously missed some steps! I'm Caroline's daughter, trying to update the content to correctly reflect the work she has done. I created a section on Samuel Pozzi called 'Research in to the life and work of Professor Samuel Jean Pozzi' because this has been a significant focus for her. She has written 2 books and articles on the topic, links to which I included in the content. I then tried to create Wikipedia pages about those books but they were rejected because the books need to be independently determined to be 'notable'. It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation - she wrote the books, they are for sale, but I can't link to that. I have produced a website which documents all the work she has done on this topic but I don't think I can link to that either. One of the other changes was to remove 2 books which are no longer in print - how does one cite that? Any help much appreciated. :) Viveka-de-costa (talk) 09:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Viveka-de-costa, thanks for your message. As someone with a conflict of interest (since you're a close relative of the subject), you should post edit requests to the talk page instead of editing the article directly. The basic rules in play here are the "golden rule" of Wikipedia - for something to deserve an article (or inclusion in an article), it should have significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article. Thus, your website isn't a good source, since it's not independent of the article subject. If you can find other sources that discuss her interest in Samuel Jean Pozzi, then you could suggest the addition on the talk page and provide those sources. Finally, a book being out of print probably doesn't need to be cited, but it would probably be better to just note it as out of print rather than deleting it. creffett (talk) 22:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rhona Rapoport - peacock

hi apologies if i am doing this wrong. i am a newbie at this i accept your criticism for Rhona Rapoport and have toned down the language. please tell me if this is ok

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TOWNEW

Hi Creffett, thanks for your feedback about the wikipedia article on TOWNEW. We have removed any links that seem to promote our brand, and is written in a neutral tone. We do not believe the page should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knectek (talk • contribs)

Knectek, you say "we" and "our brand," so it appears that you have a conflict of interest regarding TOWNEW. I will post additional information about this on your talk page. Please also keep in mind that Wikipedia accounts must only be used by one person, not shared. creffett (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Creffett, we are new at this and did not know this, please delete this so we can make the changes. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knectek (talk • contribs) 02:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rohrbaugh Firearsm

It was fine so I'm moving it back--Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Degen Earthfast, it really wasn't, none of the sources establish notability (two product reviews, four links to a company website, and a database entry, so none meet the threshold of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources). Please leave it in draft until those issues are fixed. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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About ComputerSupport.com deletion

Hello! I saw that ===ComputerSupport.com=== wiki page was deleted. The page was live for more than 4 years. I assume that someone edited the page with some information about one of the founders - Kirill Bensonoff in the attempt to create a Wiki page for him and mentioned an Amazon url which was irrelevant. However, the ComputerSupport.com wiki page, as it was before that edit included relevant information about the company, the cooperation with CITRIX etc. Could you please reactivate the page?

Let me know.

Thank you,

Mike


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/ComputerSupport.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.106.124.191 (talk) 16:53, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The page was deleted for lack of notability. If you have reliable, independent sources which have significant coverage of the company, you're welcome to create a draft and put it through AfD. That said, if you have a conflict of interest with the company, I'd recommend that you just let it stay deleted. creffett (talk) 14:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply! The collaboration between ComputerSupport.com and CITRIX has been nothing but notable (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/computersupport-com-launches-next-generation-181630428.html). Basically, with Citrix, ComputerSupport launched a new generation of cloud hosting solution powered by Citrix Netscaler® VPX, Citrix XenApp® and Citrix XenMobile®. This is how ITAnyWhereCloud - a trademark was born, which is a faster, more scalable cloud solution with a focus on providing substantial savings over the on-premise infrastructure. Also, a Wikipedia admin has approved the page 4 years ago. It was live since then. Why wouldn't be notable anymore?
Let me know your thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.106.124.191 (talk) 11:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, if you have reliable, independent sources, you can create a draft and put it through AfC (sorry, meant AfC, not AfD). The link you posted appears to be a press release, and press releases are not independent (and so don't establish notability). Also, the page was not "approved by a Wiki admin" - it was undeleted in 2016, but that's not the same thing as approval. It's not so much "it's not notable anymore" as "it wasn't notable in the first place," it's just that nobody submitted it for a deletion discussion until now. You seem to have a connection with the company, so as I said before, I recommend just letting it stay deleted; trying to push for an article about a company you're affiliated with isn't likely to get the article created. creffett (talk) 00:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any connection with the company for more than 2 years. So I don't really care if it's approved/deleted. But I consider it notable because of the product they developed and improved since 2013 onwards. Also, let's say finance.yahoo.com is not independent, I don't really know, but what is trully independent beside, maybe, Wikipedia. There were several sources listed on the deleted page. Were all of them promotional/affiliated? Let's take a look at this Wiki page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrafft%27s it has broken links as references, but we have there a link to a book for sale on Amazon, one on books.google.com. I am not saying Schrafft's is not notable cause it is, but the sources don't strike me as independent.

David James Connolly Australia

FYI - as you have recently interacted with David James Connolly Australia: I have raised a report at WP:ANI raising my concerns of undisclosed paid editing by them. Dorsetonian (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dorsetonian, thanks for the heads up, I see MER-C has dealt with it. creffett (talk) 14:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your guidance

Thanks for your guidance
I took your advice and added 23 sources and citations to support the page information. I had planned to do this after it was published because that seemed easier, but now I realize that I should have done it first so that it would not be flagged. Thanks. Indepth8484 (talk) 15:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Promotional content

I created a page that was flagged as promotional. I was puzzled by the comment as an effort was made to keep it factual and neutral. It is describing an open industry specification and is not vendor specific. I've made a few edits and have one more planned, but I'm struggling a bit to understand specifically what needs to change. Any hints or tips would be appreciated. GoBuck76 (talk) 16:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GoBuck76, I wasn't the one who tagged it as promotional, I'm the one who proposed deletion. I did that because I don't think oneAPI meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline: significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources. Of the five sources, two are links to the oneAPI website (not independent), one to the Intel implementation (likewise), one to apress (since it's done "in partnership with Intel," not particularly independent), and one to Phoronix (which is generally not considered to be a reliable source). If there is significant external coverage from major industry publications, that would establish notability. HPCWire might be a reliable source, but you'll want to find some more. creffett (talk) 00:10, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you make a template?

Hi, can you please make template my sandbox? I have to copy paste it currently, a template would be handy. Thanks! Puddleglum 2.0 21:58, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Puddleglum2.0, sure! I'll take a crack at it. creffett (talk) 00:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Puddleglum2.0, here you go! {{GOCE-welcome}}. You were 99% of the way there (honestly, you could have done {{User:Puddleglum2.0/sandbox}} and it would have worked pretty much perfectly, all I did was mark it for auto-substitution). Want any parameters to go with it? creffett (talk) 00:32, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot! I have no idea how all the template stuff works, that is not my area of specialty. :) I don't think it will need any parameters, but I'll reach out if stuff changes. Thanks again, Puddleglum 2.0 01:21, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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