Talk:BAE Systems Tempest

Move to Tempest Combat Aircraft?

We should make changes to the page because there were fundamental mistakes in the name and some details of the page. First of all, the name of the product is wrong. The name of the aircraft is “Tempest Combat Aircraft” not “BAE Systems Tempest”: BAE is not the owner of the project. As a consequence the first line also had to be changed: from “The BAE Systems Tempest is a proposed fighter aircraft concept…” to “The Tempest is a proposed fighter aircraft concept…”. Thoughts? (talk) 11:31, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the title "BAE Tempest" would suffice as it's pretty much a BAE product. Thoughts? Jurryaany (talk) 22:51, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

No it is not just a BAE product and is a new fighter.Sammartinlai (talk) 11:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Let’s standby and see how it is referred to in official media. Maybe revisit in a week and see what secondary sources say? It’s leading a consortium of companies, so we still don’t know if it will use the BAE name, consortium name, or something else yet. Garuda28 (talk) 12:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Clearly it isn't even planned out yet by defence companies and possibly not even going to take the name Tempest; Tempest is the name for the design team.Sammartinlai (talk) 12:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

All the sources I’ve seen say tempest is both the name for the design team and the aircraft, but I agree, we should wait for more information. Garuda28 (talk) 12:12, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Clearly you missed the first original link I gave https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-take-leading-role-in-next-generation-air-power-as-defence-secretary-launches-combat-air-strategy Sammartinlai (talk) 12:25, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

"British firms including BAE Systems, Leonardo, MBDA and Rolls-Royce, which have joined together with the RAF Rapid Capabilities Office to form ‘Team Tempest'" It therefore isn't just BAE and is more of a team. Sammartinlai (talk) 12:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Should probably rephrase. Every source but that one. Either way, that’s not the topic of what we’re discussing. I am agreeing with you we should hold off on a rename until we have more information. Garuda28 (talk) 12:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. The consortium has only been referred to as "Team Tempest" in official media so far, but that appears to be an unofficial working title. A more appropriate name will come out in due course. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 13:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

@MilborneOne: I understand that it's not technically an "experimental fighter", and appreciate your move, but I still believe that the sources don't yet bear out it being attributed to BAE Systems. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 14:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Is there a lead partner in the consortium, which has been identified in a reliable source? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

The Guardian article does state that "Tempest will be built by a consortium led by the British defence firm BAE Systems, with the engine-maker Rolls-Royce, the Italian aerospace company Leonardo and the pan-European missile manufacturer MBDA" (emphasis mine), so I suppose that counts. I am still skeptical that it is entirely confirmed and not an author's interpretation (given how recent this announcement is), but will accept it if others do. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 15:43, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the announcement seemed to emphasise the "Team" aspect. Even Typhoon is often referred to in the UK media as the "BAE Systems Typhoon" when, of course, it is a four-nation, three-company consortium. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

That was the reason for my skepticism; given the "Team" aspect, I was awaiting (and still am) the announcement of a holding company name like Eurofighter is (consisting of Airbus, BAE Systems, and Leonardo - two of whom are in "Team Tempest"). That said, it was about fifteen years before "Typhoon" was named, so I suppose I can't be too patient. — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 15:58, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I think these days they like to get the name out first. Whitehall probably thinks that's the most important bit. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

True. I do think the companies themselves likewise like to measure themselves by glowing column-inches (which probably sounds as sordid as it is), which is why I would prefer an official announcement of it being the "[Insert Consortium Name] Tempest". Not to be a dog with a bone, though, I still think something like Tempest (aircraft) or Tempest (proposed aircraft) is more appropriate — granted, it's not an experimental aircraft in the strictest sense of the term, but nor do I think it is definitively a "BAE Systems project", even given their ownership of the integration (and I'd presume airframe as well). — Sasuke Sarutobi (push to talk) 17:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I did move it without seeing the discussion here as it was so obviously wrong and it is clearly going to be built by BAe Systems, the other are just suppliers of equipment not that different from other modern aircraft projects. Rolls-Royce will supply the engines, Leonardo MW (a British Company (actually based in Scotland) nothing to do with the Italians) will supply EW equipment and MDBA will supply the missiles, I dont see any other airframe builders in there apart from BAES hence it as fairly obvious to call it the BAE Systems Tempest. MilborneOne (talk) 18:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

No it is not fair to say. https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2018-07-16/164369/ "'Tempest is the name given to the capability concept'Bold text unveiled on 16 July 2018 at the Farnborough International Air Show. The Combat Air Strategy makes clear that the UK intends to take a measured and collaborative approach to delivery of our future capability. The name of the next UK developed combat aircraft will be decided as part of the acquisition and partnering timeline set out in the Strategy." Sammartinlai (talk) 03:39, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Industry Day

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/uk-government-launches-opportunity-for-industry-to-collaborate-on-the-development-of-next-generation-air-power

BlueD954 (talk) 02:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

News of acceleration

https://www.ft.com/content/64011a42-28de-11ea-9305-4234e74b0ef3

BlueD954 (talk) 10:41, 31 December 2019 (UTC)