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		The Reference Desk Barnstar
		Dear Naypta; Thank you so much for your amazingly prompt and effective assistance while you were manning the Help Desk today! Your technical assistance with hiding the {{user septuagenarian}} category was most helpful and is very much appreciated. Thank you also for all your other contributions to our encyclopaedia. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^(talk)^{(become old-fashioned!)} 22:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pdebee: Thank you - it's a pleasure to help out!

Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thank you for helping out! Cassiopeia^(talk) 08:07, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cassiopeia: No problem at all, happy to help - thank you very much for the barnstar! Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:19, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Contentmodel change request

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Hi there! Would you mind performing a Special:ChangeContentModel on User:Naypta/userpage.css from CSS to SanitizedCSS? I'd like to use it to style my userpage, but it (for good reason!) needs to be a sanitised CSS page first to do that. Cheers! Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:38, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond the power of admins. I can see the page to do it. I can push the buttons. And then everything goes horribly, horribly wrong - a whole screen of red messages. Try using {{edit interface-protected}} on its talk page. Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cabayi You mean to say you don't like a whole screen of red messages?

Thanks for trying - I thought I'd request an admin to look at it rather than an interface editor because the page for me says "The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups: Administrators, Template editors". I'll get an inteditor to look at it in which case, cheers :) Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:28, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Messing with other folks JS & CSS was further restricted about 18 months ago. Sounds like one of the media-wiki messages needs updating to reflect that. Cabayi (talk) 10:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The message comes from MediaWiki:Badaccess-group1 or MediaWiki:Badaccess-group2. It looks like the choice of user groups fed to that message (from where?) is wrong. Any idea MSGJ? Cabayi (talk) 11:54, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What did the screen of red messages say? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry MSGJ, I should have been clearer there. The screen of red messages I got when I tried changing the content model of Naypta's CSS is pretty much what I should have expected. The problem lies in the message Naypta got, either MediaWiki:Badaccess-group1 or MediaWiki:Badaccess-group2, which pointed to "Administrators, Template editors" as the people who would be able to help.

For changes to JS & CSS in userspace it should point to Interface Admins. Maybe it should do so for every type of page - I don't know as it's not something I've tried doing before.

The problem looks like an omission from when the IA group was established. I can see the message comes from one of those two MediaWiki templates, but not where they're called from. I thought you might have a better idea where the problem lies. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 13:05, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(general reply to all comments):

There's two separate permissions required here. One is editcontentmodel, which is required to change the content model of any page, and is in fact granted only to template editors and administrators. The is editusercss, which is required to edit CSS pages in another user's userspace (you can't change the content model of a page you can't edit). This is granted only to interface administrators. The software said "you have to be a template editor or administrator" because it checked the first requirement, and then bailed before even asking you what page you were trying to change the content model of, and thus before it could check the second requirement.
Ignoring global interface editors and stewards (both of which are global groups, and thus never reflected in The action you have requested is limited to ... messages), the actual technical requirements to implement this request are "interface administrator (or Napyta) AND (administrator OR template editor)", which is of course far too complicated for the software to represent.
On the English Wikipedia, all interface admins are administrators, so that boils down to "Naypta if he's a template editor or administrator, OR interface administrators", but the software can't know that's the case.
I don't think it's feasible to resolve this, either on-wiki or with a phab task, because of the complexity I just wrote about.
Finally, none of this was necessary, because you could have created a Sanitized-CSS-content-model page in your userspace without any interface admin intervention by first creating it the template namespace as a subpage of Template:TemplateStyles sandbox, and then moving it into your userspace

* Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:48, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pppery. This makes for an interesting read (and I didn't think of using the TemplateStyles sandbox, d'oh!), but I'm not sure I agree with you that the complexity present there is sufficient to make the issue that's been uncovered here a WONTFIX. Indeed, I'd argue that rather than "complexity", this is an incredibly simple user role check. Hell, all it'd need to do would be to have a pretty error on Special:ChangeContentModel if you try to change a page you can't change because of a editusercss restriction - or, equally, on other wikis, if the page was protected and you weren't able to edit it for that reason. It'd take a change to MediaWiki, yes, but I'd think that change is worth implementing. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 07:57, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If I were to try to change the content model of a CSS page in your userspace, I would get that error. The problem is that Special:ChangeContentModel complains that you aren't allowed to change content models because you aren't an administrator or template editor before even asking you which page you want to change the content model of, so it's not feasible for the software to guess what you are trying to do and show the right error message. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery: Well yeah, I don't think anyone's asking for it to have some kind of premonition of what you want to ask it to do before you've asked it to do it

But a more helpful error than a whole screen of red messages once you've put in the name of the page you're trying to change the content model of would be useful. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 14:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		I don't know if 'frequently help new users' is meant to mean 'frequently help me' but have this anyway JustLucas (talk) 19:16, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much

Thank you for changing the links for the Oxfordshire Blue Plaques Board. You have saved me a really tedious job. I thought that there ought to be a better way. Stephanie (Oxford) (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Priya Bhat-Patel

Dear Naypta, I was just reviewing this submission at Priya Bhat-Patel, I am caught in between few issues. It doesn't prove enough references, I tried googling, nothing there; also I felt it is like Too soon, but because of a claim in the lead, I tagged it with notability. Could you re-review it and add more to my experience. Thanks. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 08:51, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@AaqibAnjum: Hey, thanks for reaching out! I've taken a look through and I've been able to find some more sources, specifically citing her as being the first Indian American woman to be on the council, which I think is a credible claim of notability. She doesn't meet WP:NPOLITICIAN, clearly, because she's not yet been elected to the senate, but I do think she scrapes WP:GNG, as there are several independent reliable sources which discuss her at some length. I've updated the article to match that - I'd appreciate your thoughts on the changes! If you still think it's not sufficiently sourced, we can take it to AfD and see what consensus is there. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You did a good job. AfD is not cleanup. Let's see if there are improvements made or not. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 11:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Rolla Daily News

I'd like to see a wider discussion on whether to delete The Rolla Daily News, based on the proposed guidelines WP:NMEDIA (under "Newspapers, magazines and journals," #2 and #3) and particularly WP:NEWSNOTE, second bullet. It's my understanding that this is a newspaper of record and primary local news source for a community; I have no doubt that the local library/ies and historical society/ies would have significant coverage of this paper and its predecessor titles (e.g. in books, articles and manuscripts about local history). It's the nature of local news media that there are generally few, if any, reliable secondary sources available online that report on these institutions -- as it is newsmedia themselves that would normally fulfill this role for any other sort of commercial enterprise, and papers are often wary to promote themselves in news copy, and rarely eager to promote their competitors. Accordingly I'm removing the PROD template. It's been a while since I've done this, so if I'm not following the correct procedure, please let me know and apologies for any errors. _``` t b w i l l i e _` $1.25 _` 23:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

100 words of thanks

Hello Wikipedia editing friendo, with this being my 100th edit on Wikipedia, and the amount of help, guidance, and tutelage you’ve shown me while many of them were made, I wanted to use it to add 100 words of thanks to your talk page. I’ve already given you a barnstar but you complained you hadn’t earned it enough, so I’m not giving you another one of those. You get this instead. I’m at 75 words now and honestly it might start to look like filler at this point. See you at a thousand. Signature not counted. JustLucas (they/them) (talk) 09:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 I'd like to see a wider discussion on whether to delete [[The Rolla Daily News]], based on the proposed guidelines [[WP:NMEDIA]] (under "Newspapers, magazines and journals," #2 and #3) and particularly [[WP:NEWSNOTE]], second bullet. It's my understanding that this is a newspaper of record and primary local news source for a community; I have no doubt that the local library/ies and historical society/ies would have significant coverage of this paper and its predecessor titles (e.g. in books, articles and manuscripts about local history). It's the nature of local news media that there are generally few, if any, reliable secondary sources available online that report on these institutions -- as it is newsmedia themselves that would normally fulfill this role for any other sort of commercial enterprise, and papers are often wary to promote themselves in news copy, and rarely eager to promote their competitors. Accordingly I'm removing the PROD template. It's been a while since I've done this, so if I'm not following the correct procedure, please let me know and apologies for any errors. <span class="nowrap"><sub>```</sub> [[User:Toll Booth Willie|t b '''w i l l i e''']] <sub>`</sub> <small>[[User Talk:Toll Booth Willie|$1.25]]</small> <sub>`</sub></span> 23:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
+== 100 words of thanks ==
+Hello Wikipedia editing friendo, with this being my 100th edit on Wikipedia, and the amount of help, guidance, and tutelage you’ve shown me while many of them were made, I wanted to use it to add 100 words of thanks to your talk page. I’ve already given you a barnstar but you complained you hadn’t earned it enough, so I’m not giving you another one of those. You get this instead. I’m at 75 words now and honestly it might start to look like filler at this point. See you at a thousand. Signature not counted. [[User:JustLucas|JustLucas (they/them)]] ([[User talk:JustLucas|talk]]) 09:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)