Talk:Home video game console

Movement of different type of video game consoles to new pages

Hi. I'm very interested in this topic so I made a few changes recently and had this page on my watchlist. With the recent re-defenition of home video game consoles and the seperation of its parts it seemed unnecassary for a page only discussing home video consoles to have a type section in the lists. I removed the column as well as all of the data, however there were a couple that said ""console add-on"" or ""clone console"" that did change the definition of the console in the list so i left those alone. But if they are not home video game consoles why are they in this list? Either we should create a new section for console add-ons or remove them altogether. GeneticOS (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I support the idea to create a new section for console add-ons or remove them altogether. --Cartakes (talk) 18:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I really don't know about this, but I guess this could work. Consoles like the SegaCD and 32X are video game consoles that uses different game media than the Genesis, but attaches to the Genesis like an accessory. However, what are we to consider video game consoles that attachs to non-consoles? Like "Windows/PC-based consoles" (ex. Hasbro Netjet), and Action Max, which requires any VCR to play its VHS games? Aren't these just "PC add-ons" or "VCR/DVD player add-ons"? If we are going to separate console-add ons, then should we do the same with these other obscure "video game consoles" that attachs to non-video game consoles? Just throwing it out there. Also, I think we should have a list of clone consoles and they should be recognized. Another type of consoles I would like to see separated, something that is out there, but if it seems right, educational/kids consoles, like consoles from LeapFrog, VTech, etc. Charmugen (talk) 20:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Color TV Game

What about the Nintendo Colour TV Game, a first generation console? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theexploringgamer (talk • contribs) 18:28, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

This is supposed to be a list of "home video game consoles", which are suppose to be consoles with interchangeable game media like cartridges and CDs (ex. Super Nintendo), but people are getting confused when they hear/read, "home video game console" because the term is too broad and general, which I think a different name should be used. Nintendo Colour TV Game is a dedicated console, a console with built in games with no interchangeable game media but the games it has built in, and isn't "suppose" to be in this list, but should be in the "dedicated video game console list", which is the reason why none of the "pong clones" are in this list, but whatever. I'm not the manager or admin of this page, and this really needs some work. There is a number of dedicated consoles on this list and clones too, which were removed before, but are not back on this list because people don't understand and are confused, which I mostly blame the "name". Someone needs to straighten things out here, like the person who created this page, but if no one comes to do so, then perhaps I might...

Check the List of dedicated consoles, which is at a very poor state at the moment. This is where the Nintendo Color TV Game is listed. Charmugen (talk) 19:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to move the dedicated consoles to the correct list. There's no such thing as a "manager or admin" for any Wikipedia article. -- ferret (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Yea, I know what you mean. What I mean't to say was the "main guy(s)", or "main editor(s)", of course not officially, that keeps things clean here, that sees which edits are right or wrong and reverts them if necessary and probably edits/adds this article the most. They are apparently absence, cause these dedicated consoles were here for a awhile, like lots of months. If nobody is doing the job, then I guess I will, and perhaps u can help me Ferret like what u have done earlier on this article. However, "admin(s)" is especially true when it comes to other "wikia" sites (ex. nintendo.wikia.com), or as they themselves claim. Charmugen (talk) 08:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Just for information, on Wikipedia I think the term you want is "major contributors". That's the typical lingo. Or maybe "watchers", i.e. those of us who keep it on watch list. As for this article particular, I'm mostly in a "patrol mode" right now and just clean up vandalism. I do tend to check and cleanup edits so feel free to move stuff and I'll watch/fix for any format issues or tweaks needed. -- ferret (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch?

With the Nintendo Switch being released, would it be considered the beginning of the 9th Generation, or is it just latter-era 8th? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.59.95 (talk) 11:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

We are waiting to see how sources classify it (If at all). There are rather lengthy discussions on the topic on the talk page of Nintendo Switch. -- ferret (talk) 13:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

When are we adding the Nintendo Switch to the list? We can always just put it in generation 8. Amwisdx (talk) 16:24, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

XB1 Install Base

While I'm a Nintendo fanboy, the install numbers for the xbox one are absurdly low and make that part of the article pretty misleading. Fixing it might be worth it. 70.185.181.240 (talk) 11:21, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see the Xbox One article's talk page. Microsoft no longer releases official numbers so we do not know the units shipped/sold. Only third party estimates are known and we can't use them as an official total. -- ferret (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

This is misleading regardless. Then it should be changed to: official=... and approx=... --Stuck Internetting (15:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC))

I'm reasonably happy with how this has since been addressed. --Stuck Internetting (15:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC))

Rounding

In every other wikipedia page (even when sources give specific numbers) the tabulated numbers given are to present the reader a way so as to allow them to take in the relevant information. By not rounding I feel that overly specific information is being given at the detriment of readability and consistency. Also I can guarantee that the source values will already be rounded to some degree. (Also in the case of Xbox 24m+, nearly every console would have a + so I think this should be removed.) --Stuck Internetting (15:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuck Internetting (talk • contribs)

Two digits of precision is already doing rounding, and is typical of these lists and figures across most console articles. Or in the case of say, Genesis, you can't just take 10-13 and put "12", which ignores the context of the attached notes and sources. As for the 24m+, I agree. No disambiguation is needed. -- ferret (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Second generation until 1992?

1.2 Second generation (1976–1992)

1.3 Third generation (1983–2003)

I assume this is an error and the second generation should end in 1982? 109.70.117.241 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Not an error. It is based on when the last console of the second generation was discontinued. -- ferret (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2017

Please change: |50 million (as of December 6, 2016) to: |70.6 million (as of December 7, 2017) at the PS4 section of the 8th Generation

References

to: The Wiki Corrector (talk) 18:48, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Done -- ferret (talk) 19:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2018

I think "=== Second generation (1976–1992) ===" needs to be changed to "=== Second generation (1976–1982) ===" as the Third generation starts with 1983 Calebus (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Not done: The year ranges are based on the first release in that generation, and the final discontinuation of that generation. The last console of the 2nd generation was discontinued in 92. -- ferret (talk) 17:44, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Dedicated consoles on the list

Why are there dedicated console on this list? We have a list for dedicated consoles. A few dedicated consoles include the ping o tronic "Shadow6461 (talk) 16:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)"

Because this lists counts all home video game consoles. It doesn't matter if they are dedicated or not. Maxeto0910 (talk) 06:06, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2018

Xbox one has sold 35 million units worldwide according to february 12 2018 84.50.201.225 (talk) 18:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 18:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2019

diferent => different Libby Kane (talk) 19:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done aboideau^talk 19:05, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Question about Generation 1 and 2

Why does generation 1 and 2 overlap by 6 or 7 years (Last Generaton 1 Console Released: Compu-Vision in 1983. First Generation 2 Console Released: Fairchild Channel F in November 1976) and what makes a console a generation 1 or generation 2 console? Jrgamer4u (talk) 04:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Start is the first introduction, end is the last discontinuation. Some models in each generation remain in production overlapping greatly with the next generation's introduction. -- ferret (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

comparison?

I miss comparison from player's point of view. Hardware comparison is not enough. Some games have different price one different console even if the game self is identical. Multiplayer online is sometimes blocked among different consoles, even for the same game, . . . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.91.16.58 (talk) 13:44, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

We are not a “players guide” though, we’re an encyclopedia for general audiences. Sergecross73 msg me 14:00, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Trimming/sourcing

This article is constantly being WP:EXAMPLES-bloated by non-notable or tangentially related devices. I plan on trimming the article down to items that have their own article, and have reliable sourcing, per the usual, most basic inclusion criteria. From that point on, any unsourced entries will be reverted on sight. Sergecross73 msg me 17:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

To me, the consoles listed should be the same that appear in the first table on each of the gen pages. So like this page's 7th gen is bloated as it should only be PS3, X360, and Wii. The linkage to 7th gen will give other consoles that appeared during this generation. --Masem (t) 18:06, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I think that would be a good approach. (If you’re feeling ambitious, feel free to go for it. Otherwise I’ll do something like this eventually.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Intellivision Amico

Should the Intellivision Amico be counted apart of this List of home video game consoles?Apha9 (talk) 21:28, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It's more of a console reissue / flashback type unit, and I don't think it really belongs here as a serious competition to the major home consoles coming up. It belongs on on the lists where consoles like the Atari Flashback and Ouya are. -- ferret (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Seconded. Feels a lot like Ouya. We held off putting it in any of the generations, and it worked out well, because it fizzled our before it was commonly considered part of the generation. I could see the same happening with the Amico. Sergecross73 msg me 00:53, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

This consoles is categorized as a "Home video game console" for ninth generation. It plays the role of a "Game Wave Family Entertainment System", "VTech V.Smile"/"V.Smile Baby Infant Development System, "Bandai Playdia", or even a "Sega Pico." Some Console aren't looking to be the major thing even the NES ran as an Entertainment System that was because of the Crash of 1983. Plus following generation are going to be more digital than physical. Apha9 (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC).

No, someone put "Ninth generation" without any sourcing, which I've removed. At this time, Wikipedia does not recognize a "ninth generation" as there is not enough secondary reliable sources discussing it in those terms. That's why the section here is listed as "Future" rather than "Ninth". -- ferret (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

It could still be counted as an Upcomming Consle, it even says it on the first line of the page, and the "Type" considers it a "Home video game console," which technically indicates that it should be on this page.Apha9 (talk) 22:46, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider it a Microconsoles, but here a talk page to discuss that there too. Talk:List of microconsoles Doremon764 (talk) 01:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

The 5200, ColecoVision, and Vectrex are not "Second generation"

The ColecoVision was deliberately marketed as "third generation" and directly competed with the Atari 5200 (Atari's followup to the 2600) and Vectrex. Either there is a short-lived generation in between the Atari 2600 group and the NES group or these handful of machines are in the same generation as the NES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.172.103 (talk) 01:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

The generation numbers we use today are somewhat retrospective. They didn't exist in the 70s and 80s, or even in the 90s. The numbered generations we know now appeared in the 00s for the most part. Either way, ColecoVision's marketing isn't a strong source at all, and the transition from the 2nd to 3rd generation is generally marked by the industry crash in 1983, which ColecoVision was before. -- ferret (talk) 01:38, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the edit summary, you can’t just unilaterally rename all the eras like this. You’ve got to get a WP:CONSENSUS to make major changes like this, and I think you’ll struggle to get it here. Sergecross73 msg me 01:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

The crash isn't relevant though since that was mostly just a sales thing and wasn't even worldwide. All that meant is that these handful of systems died early. The Dreamcast died early too but we don't group it with the PS1. I don't see how we can disregard Coleco's own interpretation of the market--which was contemporary with the era--as irrelevant and then say it's all retrospective. Isn't that "rewriting history"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.172.103 (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Generally, we don’t write Wikipedia in accordance with first party accounts of things, especially ones with a vested interest in how they’re portrayed. Electronic Arts has their own internal version generations too. But sources generally don’t use either of their version of organization, or your confusing “the crash was no big deal” stance. So neither should we. Sergecross73 msg me 02:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Ok but then what are we using to justify this? Nothing is sourced. The way it currently reads sounds like someone with a heavy NES era bias who didn't care about anything "pre-crash" just arbitrarily threw them all into a big pile without any concern for the nuances of that era. The 2600 and 5200 are in the same generation why? The architecture is a clear upgrade. It meets every metric for a "next gen" console. It died early, yes, and the 2600 lived an absurdly long life but we aren't using that to justify the Dreamcast as a PS1 contemporary so why do it for the 5200? Plus it competed directly with the ColecoVision which bills itself using the exact same language we're talking about here. We're currently choosing to use nothing as evidence to make an illogical grouping than use some evidence from the era itself (whether it's marketing materials, hardware architecture, etc.) to dileniate it in a way that actually makes sense and is consistent with the logic used to group later generations. Don't get me wrong, I totally understand that changing it would be a big undertaking across tons of articles but that specific grouping is clearly not accurate. Everything NES era and beyond is perfect. Everything pre-2600 era is perfect. But there's a small set of consoles in the early 80s that either belong in their own generation (if the crash is relevant) or in the subsequent one (if the crash isn't). To give some evidence for the latter, the ColecoVision and SG-1000 are internally almost identical. We shouldn't spread a false narrative out of convenience.