User talk:Primefac

November

November

Thank you for being ready to serve on arbcom, - good luck! - I still have yesterday's good top story to offer, - and a little below is my vision for 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Primefac (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Merge infobox Bach composition / musical composition: Is it right that it was merged without someone (or some bot) going over the Bach compositions to add the composer? I'm doing that now, because I find it horrible otherwise, but believe it should have been done before a merge, and not by me (who has two articles desperately waiting to be fixed for DYK, and a recent death waiting to be taken care of). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Didn't even realize that would be an issue, to be honest. I've added in a switch to add Bach if |bwv= is also included (for example, at Aus der Tiefen rufe ich, Herr, zu dir, BWV 131). Primefac (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I noticed that suddenly by miracle things were alright again. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, almost: J. S. Bach please, mind the space. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed. Primefac (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Today's DYK: to be sung "happily" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

In case you want to look at a an article related to "my question": L'ange de Nisida, - mentioned under #Donizetti on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

December

December songs

3 of them

That one resolved, what do you think of Castor et Pollux? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

You know, I've been to (and listened to) a fair number of operas, but I don't think that one is on the list. Should I add it? Primefac (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I have seen it, decades ago, admittedly, but that's not the question, - the little infobox squabble is, - or: what do you think about the layout in the upper right corner, and the handling of the dispute? I voted for you, and will probably not change my mind ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think having that sidebar is necessary; there's no actual information there, and the navbox at the bottom has all of the same links. Now, if it had information about when it was written, how long it was, where it first appeared (you know, "infobox stuff") then I'd say it's worth keeping there. Primefac (talk) 18:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

You mean like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Pretty much. Primefac (talk) 19:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Template:TOS_Welcome

Im a bit confused why you deleted my template. The reason you provided was "(G6: Deleted to fix cut-and-paste page move)" I'm not sure how that applies here. Can you help me understand why you deleted my WIP template? Nithin^talk 03:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

It was a direct copy of another template without attribution. Primefac (talk) 11:47, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

It wasn't I combined 2 templates, it also wasn't finished I intedent to heavilly modify them and also give attribution. Also i don't see how your deletion reason (G6) applies here. I think you were a little hasty to delete here. Nithin^talk 22:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I've restored it as User:Nithin/TOS Welcome. Feel free to continue working on it there. Primefac (talk) 22:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Template:Birds tasks

Hi Primefac: Back in August, you put a lock on {{Template:Birds task}} so that only template editors can modify it. This means that no "regular" member of WP:BIRD can update the list of tasks — which is a major pain in the butt. Did someone request this change because of persistent vandalism? Because I don't us remember ever having any issues with that. Any chance we can get you to downgrade the protection? Or do we all have to apply to be template editors? (Kinda surprised I'm not one, since I've created a number of them.) MeegsC (talk) 14:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

I'll be honest, not sure why I bumped it to tprot, given that in 2018 I downgraded at your request. Primefac (talk) 14:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! We don't update it as often as we should, but it's good to be able to... ;) MeegsC (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

My sandbox page

Hi, I'm currently making a sandbox page with my own list of largest stars, and I want to add a column with type (RSG or AGB etc.), but I'm not sure how to accomplish this with the list of largest stars template you made. Could you make a custom template for me with that column (it should come after the radius column and before the method column) or add a feature where you can add extra columns to the template? Nussun05 (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

You could always create a new version in the template's sandbox and use that. The template itself is pretty simple, as it's just the standard template formatting on a single page. You should try it yourself, see if you can manage! Of course, happy to help if you're struggling. Primefac (talk) 11:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding how the code works. Nussun05 (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

If you ignore the #switch functions, you can see that there are basically five lines

|-
| star name
| #switch for radius/radii calculations
| #switch for calculation type
| notes

If you wanted to add another column to the template, you would add a new line starting with a pipe on the line before the calculation type #switch; something along the lines of

|-
| star name
| #switch for radius/radii calculations
| type
| #switch for calculation type
| notes

You'll note that all of the | for the #switch statements are indented; I did this specifically so it was easier to see where the "blocks" of code lined up. Primefac (talk) 14:17, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi Primefac, I have redirected Template:Did you know nominations/King Ludwig → Template:Did you know nominations/King Ludwig Oak, because of incomplete/wrong naming caused due to an error while creating via DYK-helper yesterday. But, I find now {{Did you know nominations/King Ludwig Oak}} seems to redirect to Template:Did you know nominations/King Ludwig when clicked Review or comment link in the template. It should be redirected to Template:Did you know nominations/King Ludwig Oak. Please help to fix this. Thank you. — Amkgp 💬 12:23, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Fixed. For future reference, you also need to update |nompage= of {{DYK nompage links}} ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

ProcrastinatingReader, Thanks a lot — Amkgp 💬 13:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Lost edits in hijacked page

What happened to the edits that were excised from Kobenz (logs)? Soundcloudlegends and Notablepeopleandplaces are expecting them to show up in Draft:Kobenz (musician) sooner or later. If the edits are not coming back for whatever reason, please let them know why.

Also, if they have been deleted "for good" then this copy may need to be deleted for the same reason. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

The reasoning is pretty straight-forward, and was the reason you requested a split in the first place; the hijacked article was not suitable for keeping. However, since they already have a draft I didn't feel it was necessary to move that content to the draft space as a duplicate. Primefac (talk) 23:05, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I have notified both editors via their talk pages. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:17, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Lumin

I am new to copyright laws. I apologize for such an error. Thanks a lot JapaneseBully (talk) 05:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

RE: Reversion on GLAAD

Hi there,

Just for my own learning, could you please tell me why my edit was reverted here?

Thanks! --Qwerty Binary (talk) 12:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Two reasons. First, we generally only bold the first use of the article subject's name. Second, you were missing a ' and thus the formatting was broken. Primefac (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

How do i know what personal info to report to Oversight?

There are obvious cases, but what the the policy for emails and minors? 4thfile4thrank (talk) 21:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Send it in, let us take a look. I'd rather decline a dozen requests than miss one. Primefac (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Avery Atkins (American football placekicker)

Thank you for reviewing Draft:Avery Atkins (American football placekicker). While there's only so many ways to report straight statistical information, this article could be rewritten. That said, is there a way you could privately provide me the source of my submission as it stood prior to deletion? Many hours went into creating this article, and it would be very helpful to have, at very least, the sidebar, list of references, and stats tables. This would save a considerable amount of time in recreating this draft in a new form. Hanna Lauren (talk) 19:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Sure thing. Redacted draft has been restored. Primefac (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Can I consider the non-redacted portions as "safe" - not seen as copyright violations? Hanna Lauren (talk) 19:43, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the text in the draft is currently not a copyright violation. Primefac (talk) 19:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

I've replaced all the removed copy - hoping for a speedy acceptance as that should take care of any copyright concerns, and notability questions have been answered in depth. Hanna Lauren (talk) 22:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Is this article okay, or not?

Laksh Vaaman Sehgal Myy first accepted article. 4thfile4thrank (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Well... this is awkward... Primefac (talk) 23:10, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Based on this, and your comment here, I'm bumping you down to Probationary status, which means that any administrator who finds reason to remove you from the project can do so. It looks like you need to maybe re-read the notability guidelines and the reviewing instructions. Primefac (talk) 19:27, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Calling all TPS

Okay, so I know I have a fair number of (talk page stalker) that are template/regex-savvy, and I need some thoughts. Working on some template modifications, splitting parameters under a generic |team= setup and moving them to a |team1=, |team2=, etc setup.

1. {{nowrap|[[Auckland Rugby Union|Auckland Women's Sevens]]}}
2. {{nowrap|2008–2013}} <br/> {{nowrap|2015}}
3. {{nowrap|[[Great Britain women's national rugby sevens team|Great Britain]]}}<br>[[England women's national rugby sevens team|England]]
4. [[Yorkshire Carnegie]]<br/>{{nowrap|[[Northampton Saints]]}}<br>[[Saracens F.C.|Saracens]]
5. {{nowrap|[[Edinburgh Rugby]]<br/>[[Leeds Tykes]]<br/>[[Glasgow Warriors]]}}
6. {{nowrap|{{rut Counties Manukau}}}}
7. {{nowrap|{{rut Brisbane City}}<br>[[RC Toulonnais|Toulon]]<br>[[Lyon OU|Lyon]]}}
8. {{nowrap|{{rut Counties Manukau}}}}<br>[[Yamaha Júbilo]]

I need to write a regex (or two) that will remove the {{nowrap}} in the above examples so that I can split at the line breaks, but so far I'm hitting a wall. I've looked through AWB's NestedTemplateRegex from the Tools catalogue (since I'll be using AWB) but I'm not 100% sure it will actually give me the guts of the {{nowrap}} without removing the rest of the line. Thanks for any help! Primefac (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC) Also, as a note, these aren't the only instances, but they represent a fairly good cross-section of what I expect to find

I haven't the slightest about AWB, so I don't know if this is useful to you, but if I were processing these strings in Javascript I would do s.replace(/{{nowrap\|([\W\w]+?)}}/, '$1'). – bradv🍁 23:48, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Borks on line 7, as it matches the }} of {{rut Brisbane City}}. Sometimes simple just isn't perfect ('cause that's one of the first things I thought of). I suspect it will require something silly like the regex for my URL tracking bot task, but that setup is designed more for URLs and not templates. Primefac (talk) 23:55, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

How about this then: /{{nowrap\|([^{}]*)}}|{{nowrap\|(.*{{.*}}.*)}}/, '$1$2'. It might break if you have multiple template calls inside one nowrap, but I believe it works for all the examples above. – bradv🍁 00:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

And a version that works if there are multiple nowraps on one line, or if there are multiple templates inside one nowrap: /{{nowrap\|([^{}]*)}}|{{nowrap\|(.*?{{.*?}}.*?)}}/, '$1$2'. – bradv🍁 00:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

This is not something that should be done with regexes. If you can be sure there'll only ever be one nested template – bradv's regex can be used. If there could be more levels of nesting, you could go for a monster regex like the ones used in xfdcloser (see here line 4009). But it's impossible to write a regex that can handle any level of nesting. Does AWB have an equivalent for pywikibot's extract_templates_and_params function? Something like that is what I'd use – it'd give you exactly what's there in the first parameter of {{nowrap}}, no matter how complicated that markup be. – SD0001 (talk) 04:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

it's impossible to write a regex that can handle any level of nesting You are yet to discover the beauty of recursion :D —- I had one I used in ProcBot before I turned over to doing something saner. It works for this case, but not best idea just because there’s other, simpler ones that can be used. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 04:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

NestedTemplateRegex, if template name is nowrap then get arguments (the stuff you want), keep the first arg, then replace matched nested template with that argument directly? Uses PipeCleanedTemplate under the hood so shouldn’t get messed up on nested templates. Just initial thoughts. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 04:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

This has some functions (based on s:User:Pathosbot/TemplateEditor.cs) that may be useful. I used Tools.NestedTemplateRegex there. — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

TfM

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 December 3#Template:Hover title and Template:Tooltip. I know it just looked like recreation of previously deleted material at first, but that's because you found it mid-way through a feature merge from {{Hover title}}. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Coolio, thanks. Primefac (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I've also notified the "usual suspects" pages for internal HTML geekery. (WT:HTML5, WT:LINT, WP:VPTECH, yadda yadda).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Muslin

Greetings! May I request you to visit the subject, i have elaborated its history. Kind regardsRAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Was this appropriately reviewed? I need help.

Draft:Motion_RC 4thfile4thrank (talk) 13:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd say it's a borderline case. Remove the "Brands" section and it's better, but there's a little bit that's still somewhat promotionally problematic. Would it be enough to keep it from G11? Probably, but I don't know if it's a small enough amount to keep it from being taken to AFD for it. Primefac (talk) 22:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Template:Uselanguage

Hi Primefac! I tried to use this template today to advise a French editor to stop trying to create French articles, and found that it had been merged with {{UE}} as a result of this discussion. However, the merge doesn't seem to have been done correctly, as the switch that produces a message in the user's language does not seem to work. I undid the redirect so that I could use the template. I'm supposed to have discussed that with you first, but that rule was preventing me from improving something. My subsequent edit subst'd the template so I don't need it to stay there, but I would like to see {{UE}} work properly and I'm not sure what needs to be fixed. Can you help with that, or should I look for a template editor? (@Gonnym: courtesy ping) Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

So it looks to me that it was user error not template error that is causing this issue. The language is passed to the first unnamed parameter in {{Uselanguage}}, but the second parameter in {{UE}} (the first param is for linking to the article). Knowing that, do you still object to me simply restoring the redirect? Primefac (talk) 22:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Not at all. It turns out that {{uselanguage}} was just invoking {{contrib-fr1}} (or whichever language was supplied) anyway, so less of a big deal than I made of it. Thanks! Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 23:05, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the heads up though; much rather fix something than leave someone out to dry! Primefac (talk) 23:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Alexis Crum

Hay how could you delete Draft:Alexis Crum she's Famous on the Times of Northwest Indiana. ArekSmith (talk) 11:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

I did not find a single piece of information that indicated she exists, and thus the information in the draft could be considered a personal attack or defamation. Primefac (talk) 11:49, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ontotext GraphDB

Thanks for reviewing my first article. I've added tons of citations this time. BildadtomyPeleg (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Good luck! Primefac (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Deletion request of Draft:Bhadohi

Reason already given in that draft please see and do it. 🇮🇳GoWB🇮🇳 (ask me any questions) 08:18, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

First, we don't delete pages simply because they're in another language, especially if they're in the draft space. Second, you can't just say "your draft is not accepted" when they haven't even submitted it for review. For all you know, they wrote in Hindi as their first language and will later return to translate into English before submitting. Primefac (talk) 10:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Varija_Bajaj

Hi Primefac,

This is regarding Draft:Varija_Bajaj. I have incorporated the changes as suggested by you to avoid but there were some major issues with promotionalism and advertising in the draft. Please guide me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mngulati (talk • contribs) 11:17, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, you haven't done much, but what you added wasn't super-promotional (I removed all of the problematic content when I moved it back to the draft space). Primefac (talk) 13:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Removing POV template from Tim Palen

I am in the process of completely revising Tim Palen, with the goal of presenting readers a more complete article and to address the neutrality issues. I believe that when I am finished with the last few sections, I will have corrected the POV issues that led you to place the template, but I am reluctant to make "the bold edit" of removing it myself without first checking in with you. Understanding the care required in editing BLPs, I will ultimately submit the revised article for review, but in the meantime, would you please be so kind as to have a look and advise me as to removing the template? I would welcome any help or suggestions you might offer. Thank you. Malcom Gregory Scott (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Malcom Gregory Scott, to be completely honest, I've been waiting for you to finish your editing so that I can gut the article. While I will not deny that you've added a lot of well-sourced material, it has almost reached the point where it could be deleted as WP:G11. I just now went to the article, picked a random paragraph, and found Palen's team sold the love story aggressively. I honestly don't know how you see that as "neutral", because it's not (and should be removed). Almost every paragraph has that issue. I highly suggest going back through and revising again. Primefac (talk) 01:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback, Primefac. In the specific instance you cite, I had simply paraphrased the source ("sell it hard"). If I had quoted the source article instead of paraphrasing would it still fail the neutrality test? I'm always concerned about the overuse of quotes, perhaps wrongly, and when the sources on a topic all gush, I'm not always sure how to pull it back. I want to do justice to the subject, of course -- Palen's influence on movie marketing, especially horror films, is significant according to industry trades -- but I'm alarmed to learn I've possibly made the original POV problem even worse. I will do a write-through of what I have already added, as well as remove some of the now-redundant content from the previous version. Perhaps then you would be so kind as to review once more. Thanks again for your guidance. Malcom Gregory Scott (talk) 02:18, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Learned nothing from G12 CSD cleanup of legal statutes

Thank you for intervening in the speedy deletion of Uniform Land Use Review Procedure. Unfortunately my contesting its G12 status went unanswered, as well as questions on how to include legislation on Wikipedia, while the CSD process carried on as if the claimant had actually heeded the warning of the copyvio tool to manually check for a false positive. I know this place is not a dictionary, but I included the twelve definitions which are together the description of the article's jurisdiction, the c part of §197 in a giant charter for the City of New York (I think this nullifies the not-a-dictionary protocol). If you are not sure what the message is that is fine, I will try to find a better place to ask. But I ask you since you intervened as if the G12 claim was true. Thank you Louis Waweru  Talk  07:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I went to the root page of the alleged violation, which indicates that all content on that site is copyrighted. This is the primary reason why I removed and redacted the content. If you have evidence to the contrary, I am more than happy to restore it. Primefac (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Aggelos Kiayias draft rejection as 'entirely PRIMARY’

Hello Primefac, Thanks for looking at the entry. You have rejected the draft saying: ‘References are entirely PRIMARY’, and that the draft does little more than list publication history. I based this entry initially on that of Elaine Shi, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Shi, which has just 4 references, all of which appear to me to be primary by your judgement. I have 12 references, including to the Financial Times and the US Patent Office. Please explain your thinking.

I looked at the links used by the first 10 entries at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Greek_computer_scientists, and similar lists of science academics. I agree that many of these do nothing more than list publication history and many others are written like CVs. However, I have done work on two other Edinburgh professors and not had a problem. My first entry was accepted and Rated Start-class in 4 categories. That entry led to this one because they are co-authors. I try to ensure my entries are better than average with a wide range of sources. If you feel I have not chosen a correct model - my first entry was a law professor - please suggest someone I should use as a model.

I am confused by your interpretation of the PRIMARY definition. I can see a grey area with info from his employers and Maths Genealogy (though these are checked by the employer/project and most academic’s pages I looked at cited both these sources). But how can a patent granted to the Airbus aerospace group, and a Financial Times report be primary? I would be grateful if you could specify for each source whether you regard it as primary. If so, are you saying they can’t be used? Please add a briefcomment after each entry, such as OK/No-primary/needs expanding.

1. School of Informatics contacts, University of Edinburgh, https://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/people/staff/Aggelos_Kiayias.html Retrieved 10 August 2020. This link is to an Edinburgh website to establish the fact that Kiayias is a professor there. Are you saying this is a PRIMARY source? I would have thought that anyone coming to Wikipedia would expect this link. Your reply:

1. Academic staff, Blockchain Technology Laboratory, https://www.ed.ac.uk/informatics/blockchain/people/academic-staff Retrieved 10 August 2020. This is to establish the fact that Kiayias heads the blockchain lab. Again, I would have thought that anyone coming to Wikipedia would expect this link. There was a report in Business for Scotland citing Kiayias and giving his affiliation. Business for Scotland is regularly mentioned in Scottish papers such as the Herald and the Scotsman and British national papers. The event was organised with the Scottish Government’s Elections Team and has been referred to in a written response to Members of the Scottish Parliament. Should I use this as well as/instead of the Edinburgh source?: https://www.businessforscotland.com/blockchain-academics-define-new-future-democracy-scotland/. Your reply:

2. Aggelos Kiayias entry at the Mathematics Genealogy Project, Dissertation: Polynominal Reconstruction Based Cryptography, Ph. D. City University of New York, 2002. mathgenealogy.org/id.php?id=58836 Retrieved 10 August 2020. I used this because the project is so widely used in pages about mathematicians; it appears to be a Wikipedia standards source; it is mentioned 7,000+ times. Your reply:

3. Anon (2005) “Aggelos Kiayias Awarded NSF Career Award”, School of Engineering News, University of Connecticut https://news.engr.uconn.edu/aggelos-kiayias-awarded-nsf-career-award.php Retrieved 10 August 2020. This is used to establish the fact that he was a lecturer at Connecticut and show his research interests. The Shi page uses a similar link at Cornell. I can add a link to the National Science Foundation website if that helps: https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=0831304&HistoricalAwards=false. Your reply:

4. Anon (2008) “Kiayias Puts Botnets in His Sights”, School of Engineering News, University of Connecticut https://news.engr.uconn.edu/kiayias-puts-botnets-in-his-sights.php Retrieved 10 August 2020. As (3). Your reply:

5. Cooper, N. (2009) “Engineer’s Research Targets Wireless Networks and Security”, UConn Today, University of Connecticut https://today.uconn.edu/2009/04/engineers-research-targets-wireless-networks-and-security/ Retrieved 10 August 2020. Work on wireless security cited 11 years later in patent (6). Your reply:

6. “Method for generating a digital key for secure wireless communication”, US patent 10,462,655. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=10,462,655&OS=10,462,655&RS=10,462,655 Retrieved 10 August 2020. Prof Kiayias cited by aerospace giant Airbus patent. This establishes commercial interest in his academic work. Are you saying this is a PRIMARY source? Your reply:

7. ^ A Provably Secure Proof-of-Stake Blockchain Protocol, Aggelos Kiayias, Ioannis Konstantinou, Alexander Russell, September 12, 2016. https://web.archive.org/web/20160918110246/https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/889.pdf Retrieved 10 August 2020. Pre-print of original blockchain paper. Establishes cclaim of innovation and reason for notability beyond just professorship. Would a link to the Cardano page help? (I am wary of doing this this because anything linked to Cardano seems to be regarded as spam, which is a bit weird.) Your reply:

8. ^ Kiayias A., Russell A., David B., Oliynykov R. (2017) “Ouroboros: A Provably Secure Proof-of-Stake Blockchain Protocol”. In: Katz J., Shacham H. (eds) Advances in Cryptology – Crypto 2017. Springer, Cham. 27 July 2017. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-63688-7_12 Retrieved 10 August 2020. Again, authorship of Ouroboros, the protocol behind a leading blockchain, establishes notability beyond just professorship. This is proceedings of a peer-reviewed academic conference that is cited on hundreds of other pages. This was one of 71 papers selected of 311 submissions. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yhUwDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA357&dq=%E2%80%9COuroboros:+A+Provably+Secure+Proof-of-Stake+Blockchain+Protocol%E2%80%9D&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjw6dq6hb3tAhUcXhUIHSshD4kQ6AEwAHoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=submission%20&f=false I can also add a US press interview from the widely-cited International Business Times: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cardanos-ouroboros-proving-proof-stake-can-work-wild-1663150 Google Scholar has the paper cited 700+ times. Shoiuld I link to this?: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%E2%80%9COuroboros%3A+A+Provably+Secure+Proof-of-Stake+Blockchain+Protocol%E2%80%9D.+&btnG= Of the papers that cite the Kiayias paper, the most cited (apart from another prof Kiayias paper) is ‘Algorand: Scaling Byzantine Agreements for Cryptocurrencies’ (667 times) Should I add this as an additional source? https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3132747.3132757 Your reply:

9. ^ Daian P., Pass R., Shi E. (2019) “Snow White: Robustly Reconfigurable Consensus and Applications to Provably Secure Proof of Stake”. In: Goldberg I., Moore T. (eds) Financial Cryptography and Data Security. FC 2019. Lecture Notes in Computer Science, vol 11598. Springer, Cham https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-32101-7_2 Retrieved 10 August 2020. This cites the Ouroboros paper and 2 other Prof Kiayias papers. How can this be a PRIMARY source for a page about Prof Kiayias? Your reply:

10. ^ Cardano (ADA) entry at CoinMarketCap. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/cardano/ Retrieved 10 August 2020. This is widely cited on Wikipedia, including on the List of Cryptocurrencies page. How can this is a PRIMARY source for a page about Prof Kiayias? Your reply:

11. ^ Arnold, M. (2017) “Universities add blockchain to course list”, Financial Times: Masters in Finance, https://www.ft.com/content/f736b04e-3708-11e7-99bd-13beb0903fa3 Retrieved 10 August 2020. This is the Financial Times talking about an financial academic innovation by Prof Kiayias in introducing blockchain courses. It is by Martin Arnold, head of the Frankfurt bureau. Are you saying this is a PRIMARY source? Your reply:

12. ^ Avgouleas, E. and Kiayias, A. (2019) “The promise of blockchain technology for global securities and derivatives markets: the new financial ecosystem and the ‘holy grail’ of systemic risk containment”. European Business Organization Law Review, 20, 1:81-110 Retrieved 10 August 2020. This is an academic, double-blind peer-reviewed law journal. https://www.springer.com/journal/40804/submission-guidelines Your reply: GreyStar456 (talk) 01:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Just a note that I've seen this, but have been rather busy dealing with some serious OTRS spamming today. Will reply when I get a few minutes to read through and properly respond. Primefac (talk) 02:19, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Reddy

I deliberatly created a separate page Reddy (Irish surname), for the surname of Irish origin. The name is completely unrelated to the Indian name. Unlike say McDonald vs MacDonald in English. It deserves a separate page. Please stop undoing this. ---StevenBjerke97 talk 20:01, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

StevenBjerke97, if you take a look at Category:Surnames, you will see that we do not split by nationality or origin of the surname. Primefac (talk) 20:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

That is blatantly incorrect and false. See Lee (Korean surname) and Lee (English surname). Could find other examples. They are completely unrelated names in different languages. They should't be thrown into a mixed article. Same with Reddy. ---StevenBjerke97 talk 20:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Huh, so there is an exception. Fair enough. I would argue the reason for that is because the Korean article is actually about the name and its origins, not just listing individuals, as is (for the most part) the English version. Reddy does neither, and I would argue that there are not enough names (on either list) to merit splitting them; it's not even 9k in size. Primefac (talk) 20:16, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm not trying to come off as rude or argumentative, but names like Sabourin have less. In addition, I was planning on adding more names to the list, as well as the history and origin of the name (Irish). It has a significance to me and I think it's appropriate that it have a separate article. ---StevenBjerke97 talk 20:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, you're clearly going to do whatever you want, so I won't edit war with you. I will ask, however, that next time you move a page please do it properly. Primefac (talk) 20:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

No problem, I'll be sure to move future pages the correct way, as per the link. My bad on that. Case closed. ---StevenBjerke97 talk 22:05, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

an issue with one of your edits

Can you clarify what you meant in this edit summary? You said there was an emerging consensus to include the contest material but that seems to prejudge the direction of discussion particularly when there is an equal number of editors who vouch for its exclusion - you seem to note as much when you said immediately afterwards that there was at best no consensus. Under such circumstances, WP:BURDEN would require that the contested material (which you restored) be removed. I should also point out that the criticisms of the arguments for including the contested paragraph have not been responded to (see the "paragraph removal" section on the correspondig talk page), so unless I am interpreting somehing incorrectly, restorations of the material by non-administrators without resolving the criticisms first should be treated as WP:STONEWALLING Flickotown (talk) 21:00, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

This basically comes down to WP:BRD. The text was in the article, and someone removed it. That was reverted (a few times more than necessary) and a discussion was formed. Initially (and the reason why I didn't revert back to the stable version right away) was that it appeared consensus favoured the removal, but after a few additional posts by interested editors it appeared that (at best) there was a "no consensus"/stalemate, which means that the initial "bold" removal of text has no consensus to be enacted. Given that all of the new comments were in support of re-adding this content, it forms a trend of an emerging consensus, indicating that if it were to continue there would be (i.e. "emerging") a relatively strong consensus to keep the text on the page. If that changes at some point, then of course the content can be removed again. Primefac (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand how WP:BRD would justify restoring the paragraph. Why would the "bold" be the removal of the text? To me, the "Bold" in this case would be the edit that included the paragraph. The "Revert" would have been the removal (i.e. revert the page back to its pre-paragraph version). The "Discussion" should have happened without the revert of that removal.

Also, even if WP:BRD applied, why wouldn't WP:BURDEN override it? Flickotown (talk) 23:36, 14 December 2020 (UTC)