Talk:2012

Precession of the equinoxes

There is no doubt that 2012 features in a lot of New Age material, and that much of this is motivated or reinforced by a popular belief that 2012 is the end of an age in the Mayan calendar. It does appear that according to the consensus of mainstream Mayanists, December 2012 is indeed the end of a 5000-year cycle in Classic Mayan cosmology; and John Major Jenkins has argued that for an Earth-based astronomical calendar, this will be a rare time, because the 26000-year precessional cycle will have brought one of the solstices into coincidence with the galactic center. The Mayans presumably had no concept of the galaxy as a gravitationally bound structure of 100 billion stars, but the galactic center does stand out in the Milky Way as seen from Earth, as a dark patch. However, it is unclear to me whether 2012 is the natural date to mark the arrival of the solstice sun in that dark patch; others have argued that 1998 is the more natural year. The slowness of the precession means that it will take the sun years to cross the region of sky in question, so there may be no right answer; it may depend on which astronomical benchmark one uses... I think this would be a good topic for a Wikipedia article, but I'm not sure where it should go - "Mayan end-date debate"? It could be created as a "main article" branching off from Maya_Calendar#End_of_the_world.3F. Mporter 13:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Topics that could be pertinent to such an article: the fields of ethnoastronomy and archeoastronomy; Hamlet's Mill by de Santillana and von Dechend, which argued that the precession is a subtext in many myths; astronomical mechanisms of the precession (it is the shortest of the Milankovitch cycles); the Platonic concept of the "Great Year", astrological world ages, and the 1998/2000/2012 "debate" among modern believers in astrological world ages; the discussion between Jenkins and mainstream Mayanists; the history of 2012 eschatology among New Agers, especially Jose Arguelles and Terence McKenna; the circumstances under which 2012 was first identified as the endpoint of the current "baktun", by archeologists of the Maya. Mporter 13:50, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terrence McKenna's Timewave Theory

2012 cleanup task

Realizing that, whether a coincidence or self-supporting emphasis or something beyond, I hope more people than just me have realized that 2012 is a critical year for many current-day "prophecists" (or 'buffs' or 'bluffs' or whatever you prefer calling) and whatnot, about of course the very End of the World or trascendental stuff happening this year (that explains this year having its own Apocalypse section!). Thus I feel a responsability in watching this page, particularly for the regular prancings of the fellows described above.

Besides checking for regular changes in hard facts and references in fiction, if there are additions by individuals with an apparent higher interest in popularizing their "next revealing book" or "perception-altering" website than to put actual investigation-supported predictions, I'll be there in a zip in order to mantain Wikipedia's integrity and neutrality, and comment on those changes here. It's not my job to prove or disprove theories, furthermore to question anyone's credibility.

The less alarmist stuff that happens to this page of course, the better, making my job easier. Any help or suggestions are of course appreciated. So it begins.

1. This week's "prophecist" is the Dire Gnosis page, adding a plug to the Mayan calendar comment. A link at the bottom of the page is more than enough, thank you.
2. Note at Apocalypse:
  According to spiritualist writer Bob Frissell, humankind will ascend into a higher state of collective consciousness.
  I'm guessing you're not the only one to do that, Mr. Frisell. Would we want an extensive list of hundreds other spiritualists saying this very same thing in this page? My guess is no we don't.
3. I don't know how serious this Jenkins guy is, but if this info is as complete and supported as it should, then he should have his own page with this info included (and more extensively supported, of course). Here's the abstract I'm taking off, if you care to use it elsewhere and link it here if elaborated as suggested before:
  Mayanist/ researcher John Major Jenkins explains in his book, Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, that the Maya were tracking the cycle of precession of the equinoxes, (but they used the solstices), and that the end-point in 2012 targets the conjunction of the winter solstice Sun with the galactic equator - an event that actually takes about 36 years to complete, from 1980 to 2016. He foresees a possible collective kundalini experience, as explained in his book, Galactic Alignment, and he finds supporting evidence in his next book about a lost Aztec codex, Pyramid of Fire.
4. Another note at Apocalypse:
  David Flynn claims the year 2012 was encrypted in the Roswell Crash and points to ET intelligence indicating a world scale change event in support of the Mayan calendar here: http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/flynn.htm For a critique of the article, see: http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/new8.htm#ets
  Good for you, mr. Flynn! But I'm guessing you're not the first one of the probably hundred others relating UFOs to mayan calendars to 2012! Good thing you do that "here:", but not on Wikipedia anymore! (This was probably put by the guys owning the second web link; so much for the point/counter-point spirit :)
5. I'm making the new "Fictional references" section for a couple of facts previously listed in the Apocalypse section, including this comment on the X-Files (which I will edit, of course):
  In the X-files mythology, this day would be the beginning of colonization

(So many errors in a single phrase: it happens on the X-Files Mytharc, but it's simply confusing to put it as a Mythology directly from here; 2012 is a year, not a day, these are comments about the year, not December 21; and finally, a "day" cannot "be" a beginning of colonization >.< I guess you were at least going for "ON this day...")

Besides consequently clearing the references, that's all for now (and for long, I hope), thank you. Kreachure 21:31, 2 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blackouts??

I'm not sure why a peak in oil production would result in blackouts, especially since in both China and the United States a great deal of electricity is produced by burning coal, a resource that in terms of longevity will last longer than oil. The proportion of power plants that burn oil to create electricity is, contrary to popular belief, proportionally quite small.

Alleged Mayan Prophecy

Seen on a Documentary channel,maybe the History Channel or one of the Discovery Channels long ago about a show about Ancient Prophecies in which on or near 12 - 20- 2012, according to this calandar, everything made by mankind will kill mankind. Talk about a killer cup of coffee. I do not know who made the documentary, just that I've seen the video of a family in 2012 who is killed by the FAX machine, etc. on the documentary. Maybe this documentary will air again. This is why I said "Alleged Mayan Prophecy" until this can be proven or disproven. IF proven, only about 6.2 years to go before the bloody carnage starts, if not proven,GGGRRRRRREEEEEAAAATTT !!!!

Anyone agree ?Martial Law 08:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Going overboard?

Is it just me or have the list of prophecies been getting to be a bit much lately? For example, who says there's going to be a geomagnetic reversal? What's the logic behind the thought that the temple will be rebuilt in 2012? Are these types of things actual verifiable prophecies or do we just have our own Cassandras publishing their own predictions here? --Aranae 02:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So what exactly does the 112th pope have to do with 2012? I think I could ask the same question about several of the entries. --Aranae 21:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't personally believe in any of these theories, I find it interesting that so many different cultures predict similar events occuring on or around 2012. In reality, none of these things will probably occur, but it is prominent enough to be listed in this article. For clarity, I have added a pseudo-disclaimer at the beginning of the section as a safety against people who could somehow read it as fact. Avengerx 21:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree that this information definitely belongs here, it's just that there have been a few unreferenced and unverifiable statements and/or statements where it's unclear how they apply to the year 2012. The statements probably belong, they just need cleanup so they don't just look like one person writing one crackpot theory that they decided to add to some online encyclopedia that let's them get away with it. --Aranae 02:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see what your saying, and I'd be happy to attempt to fix it. However, I am currently working on finals (college) and am too busy. If no one fixes it by early January, I'll hop in and clean it up. Avengerx 03:34, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Verifying the Theories

There are too many theories about 2012, in my opinion, to ignore. You could say, well, there was a lot of theories about the year 2000. There was, but most of those theories were born just out of ignorance. In 1999 you could set your VCR to 01-01-00 and it wouldn't explode. But if you combine these theories and apply modern day terms to them (Sumeria=Syria, Babylonia=Baghdad, Jews=Israel) and it makes a scary theory (which I dont really believe, but its interesting). Here's the site where you can get the whole explanation, but I'll just give you the jist of it.

Some of this information might be a little off from what the site says, I dont remember the years exactly.Source

2009 - War breaks out in the middle east, Syria vs Iraq most likely. 2010 - The Muslim world is at war but eventually it is settled and they are unified (And this is accomplished by the "Dont blame each other, blame the infidels!" tactic) 2011 - This new coallition declares war on Europe and attacks Spring 2012 - Europe is losing the war and alot of territory is lost to them Winter 2012 - (Possibly on the Mayan Doomsday) Rome is attacked by the Arabs and the Vatican is destroyed 2012 - 2023 - Europe loses the war and the Arabs dominate the world temporarily. Chirstianity is outlawed 2025 - Christians unite (Protestants unite with Roman and Eastern Orthrodox Catholics) 2039 - 2045 - Another war in which the West takes back Europe and the Arabs are driven out and defeated After 2045 - The End of the Lesser Tribulation

NPOV regarding religions?

Why arte Egyptian and Mayan religious theories not included under the subheader 'Religious Theories'?

Is it not a violation of neutral point of view to seperate out some religious theories as 'religious' and others by culture, indicating that in some way the Egyptian and Mayan stories are less valid than the Christian, Jewish and especially Tibetal Alien Invasion stories?

No, what it is stating is that the Egyptian and Mayan theories are MYTHOLOGY, and no longer practiced. The ancient Egyptians and the ancient Mayans no longer exist, and are very different from the modern, existant religions. It never ceases to amaze me how some people go out and look for conflict. Avengerx 00:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetian Monks

I removed a line about Tibetian monks using remoting viewing to say alies would come in 2012. The only source as an editorial. 67.172.137.17 17:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why it's any less valid than the bit about the Bible code or Malachy's predictions. -- Vary 18:05, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you use google there are many sources. Whether or not you like the concept isn't important. Unless you can find a serious lack of information behind it, then it should stay. Avengerx 20:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So your logic is, "Add whattever you want, and only take information away if we disprove it"???

The source quoted for that is [1] but the India Daily is as reliable a source as Pravda, The Sunday Sport, The Weekly World News or The Onion - i.e. it is made up. I've been monitoring their output for a while and while amusing it has no basis in reality. (Emperor 03:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Problem is _they_ dont give any sources, or even name the monks in question. Its all right this is mentioned, but I suggest a different wording, 'it is claimed that unnamed tibetan monks' etc, so that its clear that noone can really confirm this allegation. aryah ~~

2012 cleanup task II

Hello again, I leave this article barely 6 months alone and it is again full of prophetic and religious brew-haha! Oh well, I think 2012 is a more famous year than I originally thought! But, that's what I'm here for! So, whatever this significant year holds for us then, let's keep our heads on the ground today!

To avoid complications, I'll make clear three conditions:

If there are no sources to support what is being said (inside or outside the site), then it's not meriting to put them here. Especially since so many wacky and sometimes delicate things are being said here with no way to corroborate them, 'kay?

It's not my, and in fact anyone else's, job to prove or disprove things being said here, since we have to wait 7 years to find out if they are true!! But, as pointed before, you must have supporting arguments and sources (as with any other theory anywhere!)

Anything which doesn't relate significantly to anything happening exactly in 2012 doesn't belong here. This means that if you're talking about the end of the world and stuff, but don't relate it with sources to this year, you're in the wrong place. This goes also for esoteric sites which aren't focused in any date of '12.

So it continues.

1. On December (busiest month of that year, I'm sure!), according to the astronomy source, there will be a "Striking" aligning of the celestial bodies. It's arguable whether it's striking or not, but I think astronomers would be more inclined to say (at least) "remarkable". So I'll put it this way, but it's a minor change, so I DO NOT expect anyone arguing on this (or even noticing!>.<)
2. Since there appeared so many points regarding mayan and egyptian "prophecies", someone divided the subsections for clearer listing, but it's better listing to notice that they all mostly talk about the same prophecies! So, shortening the list and condensing the facts (like the winter solstice stuff) will make things way more understandable.
3. I don't know why this was under "Mayan/egyptian theories"!
  Interpreted by millennialists as a time when there will be an evolutionary change in human consciousness brought about by a series of world changing events or revelations. Following this period of upheaval they believe we will begin a new 1,000 year cycle in which peace, enlightenment and our environment take priority.
  If you check the Millenialist page, you'll find that their focus is not at all this year (hence the term millenialist, as in every thousand years, i.e. year 2000, maybe? I'm no expert on this, but does this make sense to the layman?) So, as stated above, it's not worth mentioning it here.
4. Wow, big words!
  The predicted 2012 geomagnetic reversal of the Earth's poles (in conjunction with a solar-magnetic-reversal) brings into question the Schumann resonance of Earth and the human biophysical response to such an electromagnetic shift. It is believed that this "geomagnetic reversal" last occurred some 780,000 years ago, (approx. 3 cycles of the 26,000 year "precession of the equinoxes" of the Mayan and Aztec cultures) referred to as the Brunhes-Matuyama reversal. Advocates claim the Mayan calendar predicts a shift in human consciousness or a jump in evolution in response to this polar shift (during the alignment of the Winter solstice with the Galactic Center).
  Predicted for 2012? By who? Maybe you'd think that "approx. 780,000 years ago" is exact enough to say it will happen on 2012 (give or take a thousand years:)? Do we know some of those advocates? Sources please!!
5. Here we have some info about someone who seems to know a lot about masonic Americans and their money.
  The pyramid representing the Great Seal of the United States (located on the back of the one dollar bill) is an archaic Masonic symbol whose 13 succesive levels (first step inscribed with the date 1776) correlate with the thirteen baktun's (of 20 katun's each) and the end date of the Mayan long count calendar in 2012. Supposedly this 260 year cycle (13x20) beginning in 1776 (the end of the first katun, 1756-'76) will culminate in late December 2012 (the end of the 13th katun, '93-'12). The eye above this pyramid is also said to represent Sirius, a star which comes in astrological conjunction with the sun every year on 4 July and is associated with the Egyptian sun god Ra, or Horus.
  You might know a lot about masonic stuff (or not according to this official FACT), but you sure need a remedial course on your maya calendar! A Bactun for the Long Count calendar is 144,000 days, which is roughly 394 gregorian years. But since you talk about thirteen bactuns, that means you're saying that between 1776 and 2012 there are 5,128 gregorian years!, which (gasp!) is not AT ALL equal to 260 mayan years. Thus, I'd recommend a math review along with that. (If you meant something else and just screwed up the baktuns and katuns, explain it, and double check your math too!) Also, the reference to the eye of Horus (that included a picture box, too) is unnecessary and has nothing to do with 2012.
6. More egyptian stuff:
  Other pyramid theories based on Egyptian mythology estimate that the Giza pyramid complex will come into synchronous conjunction with the constelation Orion (which it was modeled after) on 21 December, 2012 at 11:11 UTC. Although this notion is incorrect, this date does include an alignment of the Sphinx's eastwardly gaze and the point at which the planet Uranus, symbolically the mythological Creator and father of the Titans, lies on the horizon. [2]Likewise, 21 December 11:11 UTC corresponds to an alignment of the southern-facing King's Chamber shaft of Khufu and the planets Mars and Pluto in the constellation Sagittarius, the archer. [3] Symbolically, these heavenly bodies represent war and the underworld (or transformation) respectively. Pluto takes a generation to pass through a single sign or constellation implying (on an astrological level) that the generation born in these times will witness war and transformation. [4]
  Some of external links are again for astronomical charts, but they do not explain anything about the conjunctions. If these actually will happen, show us someplace that they will, and how! Also, the pluto astrological symbolisms are unnecessary, simply because they don't inform us about egyptian meanings of the purported alignments (as far as I know).
7. I had removed this before for lack of sources:
  Tibetan Monks specialising in remote viewing predict that divine extra-terrestrials will intervene at a point where the world's governments are about to deploy weapons of mass destruction. Adding to this, the Tibetan Monks say that the world is not ready to be destroyed and that our Earth is blessed and being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards that Mankind is not even aware of.[5]
  Now, I just wanted to put a little comment on this: OMG it's not BS??? Crazy India people and their wacky news!
8. Pope stuff:
  The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, speculated that the next pontiff would be from the Order of Saint Benedict or Gloria Olivae. In April 2005 former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger was elected to the papalcy, later adopting the name Pope Benedict XVI and supposedly fulfilling this prophecy. Saint Malachy predicted that this Pope would reign during the beginning of the tribulation which Jesus spoke of and sometime before a future pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman". According to St. Malachy, the 112th Pope's pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome and the Last Judgement. [6]Pope Benedict XVI, the current Pope, is #111 in the list. He himself stated that his "pontificate will not be a long one" due to his age, and many have speculated that it is within reason that he could pass away before 2012. However since the doomsday Pope (Peter the Roman) is not assigned a number (we only say that it is the 112th Pope because it is the one after the 111th Pope), it is possible that the #111th Pope and Peter the Roman are the same person, which means that the lesser tribulation could begin within the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI. [7]
  While most of this is true according to the external links, it doesn't need to be so long, only explaining about Pope Benedict XVI so much is of no need (And that's what the external links right after are there for).
9. Apocalypse in the making?
  Plans to rebuild the Jewish holy Temple in Israel have been on the drawing board since June 2005. Predictions from the Book of Daniel depict what is refered to as the abomination of desolation, a restoration and then destruction of the Jewish Temple in Israel. This is related to the Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks. According to Daniel's predictions, "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days./ Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days." In total, this timespan is just 45 days short of the predicted 7 year tribulation of the Book of Revelations, locating the date sometime in the year 2012. [8]
  Sadly (for jewish and christian doomsdayers), no. There is no mention on the external news of the actual planned dates for beginning and ending the temple reconstruction, so from where did you assume you could count to get 2012? (Um, aren't 1,290 days 3.5 years? How did you calculate, really??) Also, isn't the Seventy Weeks prophecy already supposed to have happened? I suggest you check your math too, and your biblical history too (if you have time:).
10. People have complained about the subtitles on the Apocalyptic (apocalyptic indeed... to fix, that is:) section, and after the changes mentioned above, I think that renders them useless (so less quarrelling for us all! Yay!).
11. There are way too many external links for this and in fact for any kind of article in Wikipedia. Since some are intended plugs with nothing to do with 2012, and others are simply too short in their content of 2012 (again, there's already more than enough links for anyone's needs!), these being gone will shorten the list a lot. Still, I'll be leaving some links that are suspicious as of the veracity of their claims (like the Schumann resonance ones), so that people can make their own opinions about these, and can then do something about it if that's their feeling. (Check the page's history if you want to know which links I removed, they're too many to list here!)

Whew! That was a mouthful! I'll get busy making the changes now. As always, comments and suggestions (and help) are welcome, and keep the good work on Wikipedia up! Thank you! Kreachure 22:46, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK OK that's fine, but has anyone mentioned anything about the second coming being in 2012? A lot of people assumed that 2000 would be the year but it is quite possible that 2012 could be the actual year! What's a few years over a period of 2000? I don' believe anyone throughout the ages has ever been able to accuratley predict dates for various Bible prophecies. I have some thought on this issue which I will no doubt share at a later date. In the meantime, it would be interesting to have other comments on the subject.

Move "apocalyptic" content to new page?

I predict a sizable accumulation of material here...Perhaps it would be best to mention briefly that there are many predictions of apocalypse/transformation in 2012, and move the bulk of it to 2012 Apocalypse theories or somesuch. Dev1n 03:36, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is necessary yet, but if more material does appear, I think it would make sense. Avengerx 04:28, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Launch?

The article LISA claims the launch will be in 2015 or later, yet, this article claims it to be indefinite in 2012. Anyone know the correct date on that?

No. But I removed the reference. Grandmasterka 10:24, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar

Elsewhere on Wikipedia, the weeks on calandars start on Sunday. On this page (and a few others), it starts on Monday. Why? I know consistency on Wikipedia is not considered important, but it does look strange. 209.197.136.185 15:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Miscellaneous

i've searched some Millenialist sites, and none of them say a thing about 2012... also, what's this about Novelty theory??

20 bucks says the world doesn't end in 2012. -ForgotteN AngeL

I removed the reference to the X-Files series. If we were to start adding references to every T.V. show and movie and book that has events in 2012 it would be overwhelming.

Have taken out reference to a comet prophecy in the "bible code", together with uncompleted definition for bible code.

Searched google on "bible code" and couldn't find any consist owner for the phrase or any particular reference of the type implied --(talk)BozMo 12:10, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

You'd be surprised how many things you can't find on Google, but I wouldn't know anything about this bible code, so I don't know why I'm saying anything... bob rulz 10:41, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)

Okay... FUD-Removal time

a) The whole Bible-Code thing was described in great detail and dissected by the BBC in a televised documentary in November 2003, the jist of it is:

i) In ANY large printed volume you can find "skip codes", arbitrary strings found in patterns of text using various mathematical forumulea

ii) Some Polish guy ran a skip-code algorithm on the Hebrew Bible and found a load of interesting things which looked like prophecy

iii) He, and some other guys, decided to search for "kennedy" and found a page that also had the skip-code "assasination" and "assassinate" on the same page

iv) What they don't say is that there's DOZENS of unreleated strings on the same page, and the lack of any date too

v) So then they go on and heard that the Mayans said the world would end in 2012, so they do a skip-search for 2012 and recover strings about "impact" and "rock" on the same page, then use this as justification to start scaremongering.

vi) Interesting to note that if you search for ANY year in the Bible-code, you can recover some other strings that you "don't want to hear about". Consider:

2006 = Nuclear War
2007 = Famine
2008 = Sun Exploding (hmmm, see later on)
2009 = 2/3rds of the world population are dead
2010 = Some bad stuff happens in Isreal (but if everyone's dead... how?)
2011 = Sun flips over (I thought the sun exploded!?)
2012 = Jesus comes down and starts a 1000 year reign (right, even though "1000" is an arbitrary unit of time and this makes no reference in the actual text of the Bible)

So yeah... you can run a skip-check in Winnie the Pooh and Alice in Wonderland (which they did) and got "predictions" about Princes Diana's death that were spookily accurate.

but no... the whole thing is just bending mathematical algorithms to say what you want.

In other news....

I took the liberty removing the reference to the Earth's own field rotating. This process takes hundreds of years to complete. The person who put it in was obviously playing one people's fears of "bad stuff" happening in this year (jeez, and I thought the Olympics was bad enough!).

The thing is right... even if the Earth's field *DOES* rotate, it doesn't affect us in the slightest! Doesn't anyone read NewScientist?!

This is 81.86.99.54 Reporting for Wikipedia!

I guess my explanation of my edit is a bit too long to fit on the summary line, so I'll expand here: The link to the NASA article in the "External links" section agrees that it happens once every 11 years, and the next one should be due around 2012. Of course, since it happened 4 years ago, and 15, etc., it certainly shouldn't be anything to cause anyone to worry. I've been through three of them myself, and I never felt a thing. But you might be right that the comparision to the Earth's field flip isn't terribly relevant. But obviously, it could hardly take 100 years to finish as your edit summary claimed. --John Owens (talk) 11:06, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)

I'm fine with the Sun's flipping in the article. It's just that the article gave the misleading impression that it was the Earth's field that was flipping, which... whilst may be true, cannot currently be predicted to match any precise date.

I removed the Earth flipping bit again, but not the sun. I had initially reworded that from a sentence that sounded very much like 2012 was the year the Earth's field would flip to something more benign. I felt then and now that that bit doesn't belong in the article at all. --Aranae 16:59, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Questions

Are there any reports of creating space ships or portals (wormholes) to flee Earth in case something goes wrong?

Um... That would be a no. Grand master ka 04:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Darn

New 2012 paper

There is a new paper out on 2012:

Robert K. Sitler (2006) The 2012 Phenomenon New Age Appropriation of an Ancient Mayan Calendar. Nova Religio. 9 (3). 24-38.

It helps resolve a lot of the issues about where the 2012 date sneaked into the New Age community (José Argüelles) and how reliable his calendar is (not very). I've extracted a few pertinent quotes [9] but it's well worth tracking down if you are interested in this topic. I doubt it'll slow the wave that will grow over the next 6 and a half years (2012 Terror?) but it is a refreshing take on this given the rest of the general output on his subject ;) (Emperor 03:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Singularity Timetable

Singularity Timetable predicts a Technological Singularity to happen in 2012:
2006 -- True AI
2007 -- AI Landrush
2009 -- Human-Level AI
2011 -- Cybernetic Economy
2012 -- Superintelligent AI
2012 -- Joint Stewardship of Earth
2012 -- Technological Singularity

That's interesting... Human-level AI in three years? The robots I see still run into walls sometimes. This seems like just another product of the apocalyptic obsession with this year. Grand master ka 05:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetan monks

"It is claimed that unnamed Tibetan monks specialising in remote viewing predict that divine extra-terrestrials will intervene at a point where the world's govern..."

Indiadaily.com runs a lot of fictional stories (although it usually runs legit stories). Like this:

"Why did the type IV extraterrestrial civilization in Hyperspace orchestrate the artificial big bang in the massive particle collider?"

It's probably best to remove that entry.

Mexico as the ruler of the Universe

Do the mayan prophecies consider Mexico as the next universal ruler?