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Change unofficial logo to official one

The current logo does not accurately represent the one in the official title card (you can check my edit here). Both The Vampire Diaries and The Originals have their logo, I don't see why Legacies should use a secondary/unofficial one.--TheVampire (talk) 17:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You can't just copy the logo exactly, or there are copyright issues. (If the other two articles do that, they may be in violation.) An "approximate" rendering of the logo avoids those issues. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:24, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles on Wikipedia do that under fair use. I've never seen "approximate" renderings anywhere. Just look at Coca-Cola.--TheVampire (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Season 2, 20 episodes

Don't know if this information wanted or not:

  1. Season 2 is slated to have 20 episodes: https://www.newsweek.com/legacies-season-2-release-date-cast-trailer-plot-cw-time-1464356
  2. Episode 14 is "There's a Place Where the Lost Things Go": https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8103070/episodes

Bubbecraft (talk) 06:42, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the first, I think I'd prefer another source for that, as it's unclear where Newsweek got their info (and, AFAIK, no one else has reported this). As for the second, IMDb is WP:NOTRS as per WP:RS/IMDb, but The Futon Critic has that, so we're good. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:59, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, this Twitter thread, and specifically this tweet and this one, do imply that they did originally intend to do more than 16 episodes in season #2. But with the current TV production shutdown, I don't think season #2 will end up being any more than 16 episodes... Not strong enough to put in the article yet IMO, unfortunately, though. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just wait for an original promo from The CW stating "season finale" at this point.--TheVampire (talk) 10:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Julie Plec stated on her twitter that season 2 was intended to have 20 episodes, however they only produced 16 episodes and the remaining four will either be scrapped or moved to season 3.--silveirinhabs (talk) 9:44, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
We have no reliable source from the network that they ordered 20 episodes, no source that the remaining 4 will be scrapped or moved to season 3. The showrunner does not speak for the network so we need to wait and see how they market episode 16.--TheVampire (talk) 11:43, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the showrunner is an acceptable source for this kind of information. The issue is that her statements seem to be equivocal. IOW, it is unlikely that any "final decisions" have been made yet, and may not be made for another month... So we can't say "16 episodes" is a "hard number" right now. And, yes – it would be better to get something from The CW. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:27, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, The CW isn't marketing episode 16 as a season finale but just as the "next episode" (see promo). Hence, they are still waiting to find out if more episodes can be produced for the second season. Until they announce anything new via press release, the "TBA" should remain in the table.--TheVampire (talk) 14:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Their showrunner announced on Twitter that episode 16 is currently being called a "Spring Finale", but they intend to put the remaining four episodes in season 3 if they can. If I understand correctly, some of it is filmed, but they can't do post on any of the episodes. QueerFilmNerdtalk 22:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We can't put a hard number until the network confirms the season is finished. The showrunner explained the production situation, but she' also said she's working with the network to figure out how to procede, and we don't know what the network wants to do until they tell us officially.--TheVampire (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I'm about 100% sure those "last 4 episodes" will ultimately be rolled into season #3. But you're right – nobody, neither Plec nor The CW, has confirmed this yet. This probably won't be confirmed until late April or May. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
THIS article summarises the current situation perfectly, so to anyone who wants to put a hard number on ssn 2 episodes, please read it first. :D --TheVampire (talk) 16:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The TV Line source clearly says "As a result, regular in-season episodes are being hastily rebranded as season finales (or, in some cases, “spring finales”)." and does not specify anything more for Legacies. I still believe we shouldn't decide whether it is a season finale or not ourselves cause that would be WP:OR. Michael Ausiello doesn't know, Julie Plec doesn't know, and clearly, The CW doesn't know either (yet). So, let's wait until the network decides what episode 16 is, cause for now the only source is the showrunner saying it's a "spring finale", whatever that means. Predicting that episodes won't be produced is understandable and reasonable, but we shouldn't predict anything, not even in these circumstances, per WP:CRYSTAL.--TheVampire (talk) 16:57, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What we could do at the moment, if you all agree, is add "16 (aired)" with a note explaining the situation as news have.--TheVampire (talk) 17:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't watch the series, but pretty much this. Spring finale does not equate to season finale. It's really no different than calling an episode the winter or mid-season finale. Amaury • 17:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I personally think we should wait until we get more word from CW or otherwise about whether or not 16 is the final episode of the season. Until then, we should leave it at TBA until its confirmed. QueerFilmNerdtalk 20:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is also where I am – while I think the odds are 99% that season #2 will end up being just 16 episodes, we still have no "official word" on the matter, so we should not pretend that it's a "settled question" by putting the # of episodes and a season "end date" into the article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree.--TheVampire (talk) 21:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I concur that the # of episodes and a season end date should be TBA for now as nothing is officially confirmed yet. — YoungForever(talk) 22:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, are we ALL in agreement that it remains TBA until its announced by The CW or otherwise the fate of the remaining 4 episodes? Just so we can add it to the note on the table? QueerFilmNerdtalk 03:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, add the note. Most of us agree on leaving the TBA for now.--TheVampire (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My guess is that this will finally be settled in the upfronts in May, when The CW formalizes its plans for next Fall. At that point, I expect a story specifically on Legacies and what's happening with its season #3 episodes. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

While not an ironclad confirmation, this from the source that was just added to the article – "The exec also noted that episodes that were unable to be produced as part of this current season will be incorporated into the 2021 orders." – does make it pretty likely that we can put an end date on season #2 now. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the 2019-20 TV season is basically over so those episodes have to be part of a new order at this point.--TheVampire (talk) 18:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, I'm fine with it being added. QueerFilmNerdtalk 19:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I also concur that it can be added now. — YoungForever(talk) 20:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Episodes Section vs Page

Hi all,

Is there a reason this page has all the episodes and summaries on the page, instead of a table with episode numbers and a redirect to "Main article: List of Legacies episodes", the way most other TV pages seem to have? The episodes table with all the descriptions is very long and I think it might make more sense to move it to its own page. What does everyone else think?

Apathyash (talk) 20:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Still a little too early to WP:SPLIT to a LoE article – time to do that will probably be after season #3 episodes start to air... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:14, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is definitely too soon to split, please see MOS:TVSPLIT and Wikipedia:Article splitting (television), WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH. When it is between 50kB and 60kB of readable prose or 50 and 60 episodes, then it is time to split into List of episodes article. But, right now, it is not even close to that at all.— YoungForever(talk) 20:27, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The "informal" WP:TV benchmark is around 50 episodes is when a LoE article should split off – Legacies will likely hit that by the end of season #3. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thank you both for the replies and explanation. Apathyash (talk) 00:36, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kaleb Hawkins

@IJBall: How can this name be considered trivia if it's official (used in the promotional material of the show alongside all the other official names)? WP:COMMONNAME does not prevent the addition of a full name if sourced, and i provided two official and reliable sources following WP:CRITERIA. Trivia is how many inhabitants Mystic Falls has, not the name and surname of a main character. So this name is NOT trivia, it's the name of Chris Lee's character, just as Rafael Waithe is the name of Peyton Alex Smith's character, despite the frequent name mentioned in the show being just Rafael. I'm not adding middle names, titles or any other useless names, I am simply adding the official surname of the character and reverting my contribution with no arguments other than "it's trivia" doesn't seem constructive. --TheVampire (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Because who cares if it's never even mentioned in the show?! This is a fictional character, not a "person". And the controlling guideline here is MOS:TVCAST, which says "names as per credits or by WP:COMMONNAME". In no way is "Kaleb Hawkins" the common name. So it should be "Chris Lee as Kaleb..." If the surname gets mentioned in an episode, that can be noted later in the character summary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On the character description, it can say It is later revealed his surname is Hawkins.[source] — YoungForever(talk) 22:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes – this is what you should do when surnames are mentioned, like, once or twice over the whole course of a TV series. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. If people want to cut the surnames for M.G. or Rafael, I wouldn't object (as per "not common name"), though in both of these cases the surnames have been mentioned on more than one occasion. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If the full name is provided why should it be in a note and not next to the actor where it belongs? Neither MOS:TVCAST nor WP:COMMONNAME prevent the addition of surnames if sourced. Specifically, the section of WP:COMMONNAME that supports my edit is this one: common "names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above" (the ones in the WP:CRITERIA section, ndr, which I mentioned in my summary). Following those criteria the surname can be added with "reliable English-language sources". That is what i did and it's not against any policy. I honestly don't understand why a constructive contribution like this one, which does not disrupt the clarity of the article and neither does it go against any policy, must be reverted. It's not like I'm adding middle names or useless stuff, I'm adding the full name of a main character as credited by the original networks in the source I provided, and this follows MOS:TVCAST ("All names should be referred to as credited", AND "their full proper name (where available) should be used in cast lists"). C'mon.--TheVampire (talk) 22:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per official press release cast bios, Quincy Fouse is only credited as "MG" whereas Peyton Alex Smith is credited as "Rafael Waithe". — YoungForever(talk) 22:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We have reliable sources for all their full names (Milton "MG" Greasley, Rafael Waithe, and Kaleb Hawkins) so they should all be listed next to the actors. That is what every cast section that follows MOS:TVCAST does and I don't see why we shouldn't do the same.--TheVampire (talk) 22:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are deliberately ignoring the wording of MOS:TVCAST which was already quoted to you – it absolutely does not say "always use the full name", because these are fictional characters and not real people, and so full names often don't matter. In fact we do not always use "full names" in cast listings (and this is also done wrong in a number of articles when editors, esp. IPs, don't pay attention to MOS:TVCAST). So, no – just because a source (and a primary one at that) can be provided doesn't mean it's the common name, or that it should be the primary name listed in a cast listing or in a Filmography table. (See also WP:ONUS.) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You are also misreading TVCAST which actually says For unscripted shows where cast are referred to in a program by a stage name or first name only, that name should be used in episode descriptions, but their full proper name (where available) should be used in cast lists. (emphasis mine) That's for reality TV series with real people, not scripted series with fictional characters. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I think a good case can be made that Rafael's full name should be dropped too – if his full name is ever mentioned in the show, it's been very infrequently. Just "Rafael" is probably the common name. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aria Shahghasemi

Aria Shahghasemi has page on wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsal200921 (talk • contribs) 08:34, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've converted that to a redirect to this article – notability was not demonstrated, and Shahghasemi almost certainly doesn't meet WP:NACTOR (or WP:BASIC). I would advise starting Draft:Aria Shahghasemi first, and trying to demonstrate the subject is notable in a draft article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Arsal200921 (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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