Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mauricio Ramos (businessman)

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The result was keep. Consensus appears to have formed that subject meets WP:GNG Go Phightins! 11:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mauricio Ramos (businessman)

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No evidence of notability fails WP:NCORP Pilean (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Pilean (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Many of the references are just PR listings, but I did find profiles of subject on Barrons, The World Economics Forum, The International Institute of Communication and the US Chamber of Commerce. His current company, Millicom, has 54 million cellular customers.https://www.uschamber.com/press-release/millicom-s-ramos-elected-chair-of-us-chamber-s-us-colombia-business-council, https://www.iicom.org/profile/mauricio-ramos/, https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/mauricio-ramos Rogermx (talk) 17:36, 7 March 2021‎ (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per Rogermx, Seems to pass WP:GNG with articles on reliable indepenent publications such as [1], [2], [3] and upon searching more seems to have a wide coverage in Spanish such as [4], [5]. Hulatam (talk) 17:48, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blocked for UPE. MER-C 13:54, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your first two links are press releases, the WSJ link is just the short generic CEO profile that is part of Millicom's stock research. The spanish language links aren't covearge either - one is just a quote, and the other is a press release (or a churned press release) again. MrOllie (talk) 01:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, MrOllie! Yes, I agree that there are some PR listings. But, as also mentioned above by Rogermx there are definitely many other sources too which gives him a pass for WP:GNG like some of these below refs I just found google search.

https://forbes.co/2019/11/10/tecnologia/gobierno-cede-a-revelar-precio-base-en-subasta-del-espectro/

https://www.telecomlead.com/telecom-services/millicom-ceo-explains-how-telecom-operator-achieved-cut-in-opex-85399

https://www.mobileworldlive.com/featured-content/home-banner/ceo-spotlight-mauricio-ramos-millicom

https://www.telesemana.com/blog/2015/03/05/mauricio-ramos-deja-liberty-global-para-asumir-como-ceo-de-millicom/

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/liberty-global-brings-european-playbook-latin-america-eyes-more-acquisitions-1029153

https://www.thedailytelevision.com/articulo/mas/talento/mauricio-ramos-nuevo-ceo-de-millicom

https://www.nacion.com/el-pais/servicios/millicom-confirma-intencion-de-rescindir-trato-con/DZPI6DJWS5AFDJVYN7HOXJUN4A/story/

https://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-15339458

https://www.elfinancierocr.com/tecnologia/ceo-de-tigo-el-tigo-costa-rica-de-ayer-no-es-el/GMULCJH5NFHJRPUWWWJYDHDZME/story/

https://theorg.com/org/millicom/org-chart/mauricio-ramos

https://www.produ.com/semana/personaje/1671

https://news.cision.com/millicom-international-cellular/r/mauricio-ramos-appointed-millicom-s-chief-executive-officer,c9733298

https://www.mobileworldlive.com/featured-content/home-banner/ceo-spotlight-mauricio-ramos-millicom

https://tdameritradenetwork.com/video/rB4AoWgbEeWBaDNRf_YFwA

https://www.eltiempo.com/archivo/documento/CMS-15339458

https://blogs.worldbank.org/digital-development/leveraging-digital-technology-tackle-covid-19-power-joint-action

https://www.newslinereport.com/negocios/nota/mauricio-ramos-ser-el-nuevo-ceo-de-millicom

https://eldeber.com.bo/economia/ramos-millicom-esta-en-bolivia-con-tigo-para-largo-plazo_13374

https://www.estrategiaynegocios.net/empresasymanagement/1241234-330/4-claves-de-liderazgo-de-mauricio-ramos-ceo-de-millicom

~~https://plataformas.news/alianzas/nota/mauricio-ramos-fue-elegido-presidente-del-consejo-empresarial-estados-unidos-colombia- Hulatam (talk) 10:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)~~[reply]

Merge this paid-for puff piece to Millicom, since this CEO is not notable independent of the company. Sources are largely press releases, churnalism or from outfits that 'profile' CEOs indiscriminately. - MrOllie (talk) 00:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Ramos is the CEO of Millicom, a highly notable multinational company with many household brands in various countries. In general, CEOs of major companies like this are notable enough to have their own articles, so rewriting rather than merging would typically be the best choice. Other than the mention about the 3 recognitions which can be removed or fixed later, I don't see how the rest of the article is a puff piece as it just mentions the basic facts in a neutral way. There are enough reliable sources online to back up this biography, so some of the press release references can eventually be replaced with better sources later on. Overall, fits into the scope of an online encyclopedia. Ambrosiawater (talk) 19:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WSJ, CNN and Yahoo are major media. He meetsWP:GNG. Expertwikiguy (talk)
Delete as a WP:UPE concern. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:01, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Whether it was created in COI or not, the fact can't be denied as this person has coverage in some major publications. Sliekid (talk) 16:44, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Of the first 8 references, 6 are profiles, 1 is an annoucement of being a new ceo, and 1 is a best place to work in, for the company. There is no WP:SECONDARY sources in the article that can satisfy a WP:BLP, for WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. The other 8 references are company references. Nothing to do with man at all. There is not real coverage outwith the company. There is several annoucement of the new position, but nothing else. Fails WP:SIGCOV. The Yahoo is an annoucement to a new position, the CNN reference is a press-release, the WSJ is a paid-for profile. There is really not that much on. Lots of standard notices of employement, company news and press-releases. scope_creep^Talk 19:49, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep I am not going here in details if there is some press coverage or not. But I would request to the closing admin to take a look at these featured major publications such as CNBC https://www.cnbc.com/video/2016/02/24/selling-broadband-to-emerging-markets.html and TD Ameritrade Network https://tdameritradenetwork.com/video/rB4AoWgbEeWBaDNRf_YFwA where no one can easily get featured unless they have done any notable work in their field. Sugarikon (talk) 07:55, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep He appears notable but the page needs better citations. CEO of a significant company with some notable coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miaminsurance (talk • contribs) 01:46, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per all above, He is a notable CEO of a reputed telecom company Millicom. Sources like CNBC, WSJ, CNN, Yahoo and TD Ameritrade Network should be enough here to meet WP:GNG. Grailcombs (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He has significant news coverage. Lesliechin1 (talk) 09:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:UPE spam that doesn't want to go down without a fight, it seems. The non-blocked keep voters have yet to show any significant coverage by reliable sources. MER-C 17:29, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, MER-C! I want to clearly disclose my COI if you think I have any. I am not connected to the subject in any way. Nor, someone is paying me for doing edits on Wikipedia. When I was in Spain I was using their network. So, just searched about company and CEO. I used to see his page. But one day I saw that it is redirected I just removed the redirect nothing else. I don't think it is wrong as he is a notable and popular guy. Most of people were searching about him like people search for who is CEO of Microsoft, Apple etc. I hope you understand. You said sources to show, they are already been shown and added to the page. I guess all these are big websites and should be eligible to make a person appear on Wikipedia.

This is another collection of interviews about his company, quotes, and trivial mentions. All we seem to have here are a few rewritten press releases about how he took over as CEO of Millicom, and interviews where he talks about Millicom or the industry. I don't see much of anything outside of his role at Millicom. So why wouldn't we just merge to Millicom? - MrOllie (talk) 18:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, MrOllie Thanks for your reply. I understand some sources are not up to mark but others are good which surely meet WP:GNG. Also, I respect your Merge proposal but there are many people out there like me who do searches about the CEOs of the company. If you will check through the chart you will see he gets 1000+ page views per month. So, you can assume how many people are searching for him. https://pageviews.toolforge.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=all-agents&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Mauricio_Ramos_(businessman)

Also, Another thing to note if you will see same another qualifications CEO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_%C3%81lvarez-Pallete You will see he have last coverage then Ramos. He only has coverage in Spanish. But Ramos has coverage in Spanish and English both. I guess he deserves a separate page for him. I hope you understand. Sugarikon (talk) 19:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sugarikon, we don't count pageviews for AfD, but anyway: most of the traffic to this article started because of this AfD, not before. MarioGom (talk) 08:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Overall, Ramos has some press coverage which was earlier used in the page but as page is improved with reliable sources like CNBC, Forbes, The Hollywood Reporter and TD Ameritrade Network which are definitely WP:RS and are enough to qualify Ramos for WP:GNG which is also pointed out by other experienced editors like Rogermx, Ambrosiawater, Expertwikiguy, Grailcombs, Sliekid, Miaminsurance and Lesliechin1. As the major votes are on the Keep side. This discussion should be closed now. Sugarikon (talk) 17:13, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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