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Concentration camp

quote from a First Nation leader described this as a concentration camp. i wonder if this will change the narrative. im not going to categorize it as such, at least yet.(mercurywoodrose) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:5FA1:61B0:B509:71A2:9022:160D (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This may be better to discuss on the Canadian Indian residential school system article, though they already have many references to genocide there. 188.148.229.11 (talk) 17:59, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Crooked lake board school

Searchign this document for "crooked lake boarding school" will return many details on the initial school. Not adding it myself as the nb in the history section regarding the first school is quite complicated. --- Possibly ☎ 20:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Were the unmarked graves on school grounds or in a cemetery near the the school grounds?

This CBC article says that the bodies were discovered in a cemetery that was near the school. It is also less clear about whether it is known that the Catholic Church had in fact removed any markers, or if that was just speculation on Chief Delorme's part.Fullmetalalch (talk) 00:29, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When I wrote that part in the article, I was using sources from CTV News and Global News that both had direct quotations from Chief Delorme:

CTV News: "The Catholic church representatives removed the headstones and today they are unmarked graves"
Global News: "In the 1960s, the Catholic Church removed the headstones and today, we have over 600 unmarked graves"

188.148.229.11 (talk) 17:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Use of term "mass graves"

Though the media is using the term, zero evidence has been presented thus far to even suggest this was a literal "mass grave" as opposed to a cemetery. A mass grave is one large pit dug to inter dozens/hundreds/etc of bodies at once and they are placed beside and/or dumped on top of each other. Discovering bodies in the same area does not a mass grave make. The WP entry, however, presents this as factual. I'd suggest changing the term to "burial ground" or something similar until more details emerge. 216.154.4.118 (talk) 14:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you even read the article? The term used is "unmarked graves", so I'm not sure what your point is. freshacconci (✉) 14:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, a quick scan of the sources used in the article show the media mostly using the term "unmarked graves" as well, so your concern is based on nothing really. Neither this article, nor the sources, use the term "mass graves". freshacconci (✉) 14:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There was one mention to "mass graves" in the lede and I have removed it. 188.148.229.11 (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, this was what I was responding to. Though, further to the other replies, mass graves is still used frequently in many media references.

216.154.4.118 (talk) 00:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear

The article says mass graves were discovered and then just goes to reactions about how families are being supported. Its not really clear what the graves or bodies are for or what they mean, is it simply the fact that people were (i assumed dumped in the graves), maybe some context that people have been searching for loved ones or something — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:53A1:E001:98AF:3FB3:FF75:4AFA (talk) 16:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that some important information is missing although that may also be because it's recent. There is no mention of how many were estimated to be children or of burial dating estimations, to have an understanding of the context, the link to the school and the period. —Paleo Neonate – 01:37, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not a mass grave

"The Cowessess First Nation says 751 unmarked graves have been uncovered on the grounds of a former residential school in Saskatchewan." https://winnipeg.citynews.ca/2021/06/24/remains-saskatchewan-residential-school/ They never said mass graves. The School Opened in 1899, closed in 1997. 98 years, 751 unmarked graves, 7.7 per year on average. And the Spanish Flu pandemic has to be taken into account. Death rates back then were high. greater than 250 per 1000. There is no evidence of only child graves. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041751/canada-all-time-child-mortality-rate/ This article needs facts. There is a grave yard with missing head stones and decayed head stones. So far no "mass grave".

Nowhere in the article does it say there was a mass grave. 188.148.229.11 (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Physically dominating

The article quotes the source that correctly mentions it. Perhaps some sources also offer better precisions. Although illegal today, corporal punishment was common in most schools for a long time in Canada. —Paleo Neonate – 01:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Influenza Theory (as yet unproven)

Has anyone investigated or consider the possibility that the spanish flu so dominant around 1918 killed off many of the inhabitants, perhaps so many at once that the school was overwhelmed? The flu of the time attacked the youngest most fiercely and killed millions worldwide. --2600:6C48:7006:200:B056:6066:1296:EF0B (talk) 01:49, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]