User talk:Mathsci

June songs

some flowers and music for you, - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back!! Aza24 (talk) 04:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

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Would you mind?

Not stalking my edits and not talking behind my back? If you disagree about my clean-up, you're free to object to it (if there are valid reasons: reading index term, WP:DEFCAT and WP:NONDEF might help see where I'm coming from), ideally without deliberately ({{noping}}!!) not including me in the discussion? Cheers (if somewhat less jovial than usual), RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I think it would be good if you could discuss this here directly with User:Johnuniq. I don't make that many edits. Dealing with George Frederic Handel and the slave trade was the only non-trivial thing to fix. In that case, controversial content on the Royal African Society had to be summarised without unbalancing the article. As a useful guide, other wikipedians had already worked out how to fix that for Samuel Pepys.

I noticed the deletion of good faith content about Christoph Graupner: Gerda Arendt had already discussed Rnklupptaylor's proposed content elsewhere but not directly to me. Content about Graupner and Jesu meine Freude has not been deleted. OTOH it's certainly worth noting that Florian Heyerick is a world expert on Graupner's music. In 2012 he contributed on wikipedia [en, de, nl] as User:Floxoip, particularly this astonishing edit.

The current discussion of categories seem to be an example of WP:REICH, focusing on Albert Einstein and Johann Sebastian Bach. Categories are decided cumulatively by multiple editors over a long time period by consensus/discussion. An administrator noticed the deletion of categories for Einstein. User:ZH8000 was one of the editors who also noticed that for both articles. I watchlist William Shockley.

For British satirists and comedians—Ian Hislop, Richard Ingrams, Eleanor Bron, Peter Cook, David Frost, John Cleese, Michael Palin—education almost always appears as a category where it is known. It's true of the Aussie Barry Humphries. It's true of Paul Merton, Caroline Quentin, Sandy Toksvig, Alan Davies, etc. Mathsci (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Dealing with George Frederic Handel and the slave trade was the only non-trivial thing to fix. I don't see why you're bringing this up. Händel has nothing to do with this (I have not even edited that page recently...). You're good at deflection. Anyway.

I noticed the deletion of good faith content about Christoph Graupner. Weren't you the one who complained that Graupner might be UNDUE (and on top of that, it was based on primary sources, which is a major issue, no matter the good-faith nature of it)? Again, not the issue here.

The current discussion of categories seem to be an example of WP:REICH. Beyond being an unwelcome insinuation, your comment seems somewhat lacking in other aspects, too. Categories are rarely 'decided'. Most often, someone just comes along and adds one, and there's very little discussion (especially since categories are usually not something worth having a fuss about, unless there's excessively many, like, for ex., Einstein (85 categories!!! really?). And admins don't have super-powers (WP:NOBIGDEAL), so that's also irrelevant. Again, it would be best if you could actually respond to my arguments (you of all people seem like someone who would've surely done academic research at some point? you know about keywords, right? if you're looking for something about, I dunno, Bach, you're not really interested in a book about Mozart which happens to mention Bach on one page about the anecdote of Mozart hearing Bach's motets, are you?)

Education almost always appears as a category where it is known. Argumentum ad populum non mihi persuadet. Long-standing pages (or categories) being deleted is not unheard of, and this might be a case where this option needs to be exercised. I'm not feeling inclined to keep quoting WP:NONDEF, but it's clear that if you're looking for keywords to describe Ian Hislop (or any of the other examples), "alumni of X college" is not one (see also the Caravaggio example of the guideline, or the thought experiment I propose on Einstein's talk page [what are the first few words that come to mind when thinking of/which would best summarise X?]) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:12, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

*You've written "you of all people seem like someone who would've surely done academic research at come point?" I've temporarily logged into mathscinet (131.111.184.3) and, yes, it does seem to be true. On my main gmail account—not the wiki gmail account one you've used—I am frequently asked on Academia.edu whether papers I wrote are by me.

*For Handel, I created some detailed articles including Organ concertos, Op. 4 (Handel). My editing related to Handel & the Atlantic slave trade is a serious matter. All over Britain re-evaluations are being made (the cockerel in Jesus College, Cambridge is one example). I wrote content about the Harp concerto HWV 294, in Alexander's Feast, premiered by a Welsh harpist. Cleopatra's seduction aria V'adoro from Giulio Cesare depicts the nine muses with a ravishing obligato part for baroque harp. The organ concertos were performed on a single manual chamber organ without pedal. An example can be found in St George's, Hanover Square next to the Handel House in Brook Street. Good for cake and/or ale.

*Ian Hislop is regularly on the telly (eg documentaries about the two princes). Richard Ingrams still has some attachment to Private Eye: his categories remain intact. I also checked David Conway—same college as Nicholas Wade.

*In principle Lilypond coding is not hard. BWV 39 was tricky, adding all the texts, balancing five different lines. The closing chorale of BWV 39 involved a positive organ.

*In the past I have attended general lectures about Einstein's legacy.

*For Graupner, the only relevant comment is about Florian Heyerick and his global wikipedia contributions as Floxoip. He is well-known as a scholar, performer and conductor. I've listened to some of his Graupner cantatas on spotify.

Mathsci (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Much of your comment is still off-topic to the reason why I'm here. you of all people seem like someone who would've surely done academic research at come point? - you've missed the second (and more substantive) part of this mostly rhetorical question... For Graupner, the only relevant comment [...] - what does someone who last edited here in August last year have to do with the recent edits (from a few days ago), which were problematic the addition of content based on primary sources? Ian Hislop: was my previous comment too long? is that why you missed (or at least, do not appear to have responded to) the most important part of it. Other pages being similarly wrong is not a reason to copy them. i.e. two wrongs don't make a right, or, as I was saying, argumentum ad populum non mihi persuadet RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)