Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arnolds Krūkliņš

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The result was keep. Michig (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Arnolds Krūkliņš

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The subject lacks WP:SIGCOV in multiple, reliable and independent sources and thus fails WP:GNG. The subject also fails WP:NOLYMPICS in that he did not win a medal. In this case, Krūkliņš not only didn't medal -- he was disqualified from the event. See Athletics at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 50 kilometres walk. Cbl62 (talk) 12:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete We clearly established that those who compete in the Olymics are not default notable, only medalist are. We lack any reliable sources to show that this person is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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*Comment It's clear that Cbl62 is acting as a proxy for Lambert to log AfDs, due to Lambert's AfD restrictions, something that Lambert has been warned not to do very recently. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:20, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The notion that I am a "proxy" for JPL is absurd. I've historically disagreed with JPL far more often than not at AfD. Indeed, just last year, I took JPL to ANI over his AfD nominations. This contention is pure smoke and mirrors to avoid focusing on an AfD that is clearly meritorious. Cbl62 (talk) 13:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish. Lambert adds to his blog, sorry talkpage, about the notability of a subject, and then you send it to AfD. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:29, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shame on you for making such baseless claims in desperate defense of your insupportable sub-stub. Cbl62 (talk) 13:32, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The links above show that it is the case that I've stated. Unless, of course, you didn't post on Lambert's talkpage about this article and its AfD. Oh, wait. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:34, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. JPL posted about another one of your insupportable Olympic sub-stubs which led me to Krūkliņš which I independently reviewed and found to be sorely and completely lacking. ... Curious whether you have anything to say about the substance of the AfD. Cbl62 (talk) 13:39, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. The discussion with you on Lambert's talkpage show this. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Still no comment on the substance of the AfD? Any SIGCOV to present showing that Krūkliņš passes GNG? Cbl62 (talk) 13:46, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Latvia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:36, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly the nom didn't do the basics and check the Latvian article. There's this and this for starters. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:53, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Are those sources reliable? the first one is substantial coverage, the second is not. 1 source does not amount to passing GNG, and that one source I am less than convinced is reliable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - I won't opine to keep a subject without any significant results, but I could note that the second source Latvijas Enciklopēdija looks to be a concise encyclopedia, which explains its brevity. Geschichte (talk) 21:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have expanded the article with added sources. He won multiple national championships, both in Latvia and in the USSR after it became a Soviet republic. Of the sources linked here by Lugnuts, the first is a sports site, showing continuing coverage in independent sources outside databases, and the second is a Latvian encyclopedia entry reproduced at lv:Ogres Centrālā bibliotēka (for some reason I can't see the archived version at Latvian Wikipedia, so I was glad to see that link that works for me). The Latvian Olympic Committee page on him (archived here; since the link is broken for me at least, and in order to use it as a reference, I junked the Wikidata external links template) is also a reliable source for his career, not only for his one Olympics appearance, and I added a local history reference that has details on what happened at the Olympics: he was one of three Latvians competing, they had been advanced automatically to the final, and his disqualification during the race was a surprise and was not explained. Curiously, that source has a varying death date for him, and the encyclopedia entry has a varying birth date; all other sources agree, so I merely left hidden notes in those references. I also left a hidden note on the 1941 occupation; depending on the date of his win, it could have been either the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Hasn't won a medal at the Olympics. Unless the notability criteria has changed. GoodDay (talk) 20:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:NSPORT: "Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted." BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep, per expansion by Yngvadottir. I can't read Latvian but am willing to AGF that its SIGCOV. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per Beanie. 2603:7000:2143:8500:30CD:F863:CA5C:68FC (talk) 19:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Reliable sources are present. Deb (talk) 12:19, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY, WP:BEFORE failure. Cavarrone 13:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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