Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/England 2030 FIFA World Cup bid

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 13:02, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

England 2030 FIFA World Cup bid

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WP:CRYSTAL. We don't know if there will be a bid by England to host the 2030 World Cup. Indeed, most of the recent reporting has suggested if there is a bid involving England, it would also involve other neighbouring countries.

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom and CRYSTAL. Giant Snowman 12:32, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Knightrises10 (talk) 13:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article is just guess work at the moment, with no real information. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep through the sourcing, passes WP:GNG. Per WP:CRYSTAL, It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced. That is the case here. SportingFlyer talk 17:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But we don't even know if this will occur. WP:CRYSTAL states "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" (my emphasis). The recent reporting indicates that any bid would be a UK, or UK and Ireland, bid. Therefore an "England" World Cup bid is far from certain to take place. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 20:29, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really an "event," though, and it passes WP:GNG regardless. SportingFlyer talk 14:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:CRYSTAL. England hasn't even confirmed an intent to file a bid, only that they are considering the possibility. Please note that this is a different case than Uruguay–Argentina–Paraguay 2030 FIFA World Cup bid and Morocco 2030 FIFA World Cup bid, as those football associations have announced that they will file bids when FIFA opens the process. — Jkudlick ⚓ t ⚓ c ⚓ s 22:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A bid is not an event, it's a proposal, so the part of CRYSTAL delete !voters are citing does not apply. Rather, the part cited by SportingFlyer is what we need to look at, as it discusses future proposals. And right now, it's a future proposal, which is allowed under CRTYSTAL if it passes GNG, which it does due to the ample sourcing. Smartyllama (talk) 12:47, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm in two minds about this. Is this article useful to readers? Maybe. Is it still TOOSOON? Maybe. We really shouldn't be covering this until they have actually lodged an intent to make the bid, as right now it is just some backroom discussions that may or may not come to anything. This article is basically a bunch of quotes and opinions from various people and groups speculating on a possible British bid. Its a bit of a flimsy rationale for a standalone article at this stage. Maybe merging it to a short section over at 2030 FIFA World Cup would be the wisest choice? — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 14:29, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It is referenced 'chat'. Not quite twitter but not encyclopedic. Szzuk (talk) 13:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 14:11, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I think it is too soon. While a bid is possible and is being discussed more than when the similar article was deleted, until things firm up (eg whether it is not clear yet whether this will be a stand alone bid by the English FA, a joint England and other UK nations bid or indeed a UK and Republic of Ireland bid) it is best covered as part of the 2030 world cup article. Dunarc (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - until there is confirmation that a bid will be made, it is too soon to have an article. ICPH makes good points in his comment, and I would agree that including a short section at 2030 FIFA World Cup could be a good option until the associations confirm whether or not they will actually bid. 21.colinthompson (talk) 17:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 02:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:BALL Hhkohh (talk) 13:33, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now as all the sources are speculative about whether England will actually bid. Fine to recreate if/when a proper, official England bid is announced. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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