User talk:David873

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About User:Omaga99

I have replied my views at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Good articles#About User:Omaga99. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lý Long Tường

Have you examined vi:Lý Long Tường? Badagnani (talk) 00:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I cannot do so since I can only understand English. Sorry.

I must add that the lack of sources in the English language version is very alarming, considering that some of the information sounds like pseudo-history. David873 (talk) 00:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are sources; please see the Google Books source I have added at the discussion page. It is in English. Badagnani (talk) 00:50, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Vietnamese people in Korea, thank you. RBD (talk) 20:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of the references cited, one comes from the Vietnam Union of Science and Technology Association (VUSTA) who held a press conference announcing new evidence supporting the claim, the Seoul-based Northeast Asia History Foundation which is only 3 years old, and a book published by Philips Taylor in 2007 by the Singapore-based Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (ISEAS). The ISEAS looks credible, as they have been around since 1970 and have trustee members who are professors at the National Singapore University. Whether VUSTA can be considered a reliable source is certainly up for debate, and the NEAHF is too new as well. I would ask the ISEAS where they got that piece of information in that book, "Modernity and Re-Enchantment" by Philip Taylor. Yellowtailshark (talk) 04:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

About opening time of the beijing olympics.

I want to have you attention that the "08:08:08" in the source article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/7498629.stm) does not mean 8:08:08pm but actually 8pm on Aug. 8th. So the correct time is 8pm. I hope to avoid edit war.--Tingo (talk) 13:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Socks

Your guess is as good as mine. I don't think the way these people do, and consequently it's hard for me to imagine behaving that way, let alone figure it out. Badagnani (talk) 17:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe you should remove any content from that user page (including the "F U" comment), because it clearly illustrates why this individual had been blocked in the first place, and may avoid any decision to unblock him in the future. I ask you to please reconsider that removal. Badagnani (talk) 17:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, some of the contents deleted attacked other editors. Also, an administrator has made it plain at Talk:Nanyue that there is no excuse for any kind of racism whatsoever at Wikipedia pages and that any such content must be removed on sight. In any case, diffs can still be used in any report that may be written against the offending user. David873 (talk) 22:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Communist sources

Many news outlets in capitalist nations are similarly skewed and filled with misinformation. One has to evaluate each source on its own merits (or lack thereof). Badagnani (talk) 02:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

I have been blocked for "trolling" and other forms of disruption and need some additional information as to the circumstances. I assume that this is related to my most recent edits as I have not been blocked before. I have tried looking for an incident report against me but I cannot find any. David873 (talk) 05:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock Request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

David873 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have been blocked indefinitely for trolling and for being a bad-hand account. It appears that this is related to my recent edits as well as my sockpuppetry accusations. I confess that I have been involved in a heated dispute with another editor recently over the reliability of sources at Talk:Lý Long Tường and must have over-stepped the mark at some point. I had been trying to explain that state-run sources are not reliable to no avail. In any case, I promise not to edit the said talk page until the dispute is settled by other editors and to refrain from making potentially condescending comments in the future.

I have also been embroiled in a series of incidents which resulted in my accusing many users of sockpuppetry. I admit that I might have taken too hard a line against possible cases of sockpuppetry and promise that I will be more careful in the future should I be allowed to edit again.

Also, given my editing history and the fact that I have not been blocked before, I find it hard to see that I have been trolling or generally causing disruption at Wikipedia. Furthermore, I believe that I had not been adequately warned. After all, the editing history for my user account shows that I am actually interested about the neutrality and factual accuracy of Wikipedia articles rather than someone who is only interested in intimidating or harassing other editors. Therefore, I request that I be either unblocked or that the block be downgraded from indefinite to a fixed duration.

Decline reason:

Your first edits show that you are clearly not a new user. I don't know whose sockpuppet you are, but a large part of your contributions seem to consist largely of trolling. Furthermore, as Sandstein points out, you did not address the reason you were blocked for in the first place. Please use your main account, whatever it is, and please review WP:GHBH so that you can avoid similar situations like this in the future. Khoi khoi 07:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

You don't address the bad-hand account issue. Do you have other accounts? Sandstein 07:04, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have not used or signed up any other registered user account nor have I engaged in sockpuppetry (including meatpuppetry of any kind). If there is a sockpuppetry accusation or some other report against me, then I wish to examine and respond to it. I regret that I mistook "bad-hand account" to simply mean "frequently disruptive account". I do admit though that I had been editing as an annonymous IP editor before I registered the user account David873. Since registering the user account, I have ceased editing as an IP editor. David873 (talk) 09:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

YOU

Although geographically and linguistically labeled as Southeast Asians, long periods of Chinese domination and influence have placed them culturally closer to East Asians, or more specifically their immediate northern neighbours, the Southern Chinese and other tribes within the proximity of South China.

According to a research study done by the Hopital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals," with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations^[1]. According to another research by the Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taipei, Taiwan, the Vietnamese people are classified in the same genetic cluster as the Miao, Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyi and Thai, with a divergent family consisting of Singaporean and Thai Chinese, Minnan (Hoklo) and Hakka.^[2] Although geographically and linguistically labeled as Southeast Asians, long periods of Chinese domination and influence have placed them culturally closer to East Asians, or more specifically their immediate northern neighbours, the Southern Chinese and other tribes within the proximity of South China.

According to a research study done by the Hopital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals," with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations^[1]. According to another research by the Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taipei, Taiwan, the Vietnamese people are classified in the same genetic cluster as the Miao, Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyi and Thai, with a divergent family consisting of Singaporean and Thai Chinese, Minnan (Hoklo) and Hakka.^[2]

^ ^a ^b Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ ^a ^b Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

in your face, and you cant remove this, david, this is not sopaboxing, but fully referenced material from a wiki article, with no additions by me Although geographically and linguistically labeled as Southeast Asians, long periods of Chinese domination and influence have placed them culturally closer to East Asians, or more specifically their immediate northern neighbours, the Southern Chinese and other tribes within the proximity of South China.

According to a research study done by the Hopital Saint-Louis in Paris, France: "the comparison of the Vietnamese with other East Asian populations showed a close genetic relationship of the population under investigation with other Orientals," with the exception of seven unique markers. These results, along with remnants of Thai enzyme morphs, indicate a dual ethnic origin of the Vietnamese population from Chinese and Thai-Indonesian populations^[1]. According to another research by the Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taipei, Taiwan, the Vietnamese people are classified in the same genetic cluster as the Miao, Southern Han (Southern Chinese), Buyi and Thai, with a divergent family consisting of Singaporean and Thai Chinese, Minnan (Hoklo) and Hakka.^[2]

^ Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
^ Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

in your face, and you cant remove this, david, this is not sopaboxing, but fully referenced material from a wiki article, with no additions by me

in your face, its vietnamese who have chinese blood, not the other way around.Nefbmn (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hohoho

so whos the "disruptive, nationalistic editor" now daivd? how long did you think YOU could mess with my user page when i clearly wasnt breaking any wiki rules, before you made several edits yourself, and the fact that you are not an admin meant you had clearly no right ro remove anything from my page. i hope you learned YOU LESSON on disruptive editing after tasting some of your medicine by the REAL ADMINS.Nefbmn (talk) 18:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[NCBI-1] Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[NCBI2-2] Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[NCBI-3] Ivanova R, Astrinidis A, Lepage V; et al. (1999). "Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in the Vietnamese population". Eur. J. Immunogenet. 26 (6): 417–22. PMID 10583463. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

[NCBI2-4] Lin M, Chu CC, Chang SL; et al. (2001). "The origin of Minnan and Hakka, the so-called "Taiwanese", inferred by HLA study". Tissue Antigens. 57 (3): 192–9. PMID 11285126. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author= (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

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