Talk:Vivien Thomas

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I believe Vivien Thomas was remarkable in knowing medical procedures with only a high school education.I do believe that he should be recognized in Black History63.27.158.63 21:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm often inspired by these stories. I am, however, saddened by the fact that so many gifted African Americans' talents were not fully realized . . . but for the hatred that was (and still is) prevalent in our society. Think of what Dr. Thomas might have contributed to society if he'd been treated fairly and given an equal opportunity to advance. Think of the hundreds of thousands of men and woman just like Viven Thomas that were born and died . . . . It's our society that suffers . . . .

YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT THE MOVIE 'SOMETHING THE LORD MADE' STARRING MOS DEF HE PLAYS VIVIEN THOMAS THIS IS AN EXCELLENT MOVIE.

"dr."?

My understandng is that recipients of honorary doctorate degrees are not given the title "Dr." before their name. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

You are correct. But I don't think his honorary degree is his title is based on; it's because he was a de facto doctor. I'm sure he was called doctor before his JHU honorary degree Taco325i 01:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder about the "Doctor of Laws" degree. This is what big donors or famous people get. The honorary doctoral degree for scientific work is usually the "Doctor of Science" (DSc.) degree. This is often given to persons who already have a doctoral degree of some sort and/or to persons ( like Thomas ) who make a major scientific contribution but don't have a doctoral degree. It definitely qualifies you to be called "Doctor". Vivien Thomas certainly earned a DSC.. Perhaps John Hopkins doesn't offer this degree or it was somehow blocked. The "Doctor of Laws" sounds like some sort of compromise.

Also, in some systems (e.g., English and Swedish ) the medical degree ( particularly for Surgeons ) is/was a Bachelor of Medicine (MB). Such people get called "doctor" even if technically they don't have a doctoral degree.

Finally, there are all sorts of legal complications about awarding MD degrees. Which is why he did not get that. Similarly, there are occasional cases of people getting earned PhDs with-out having an undergrad degree. Why didn't he qualify ? His thesis could have been his work. Lots of unanswered questions here.Vaultdoor (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't most of this article look like http://www.answers.com/topic/vivien-thomas?

I concur...the movie is an excellent visualization of the history. In reading Mr. Thomas's autobiography, the movie was very accurate.

It really is a shame that Morgan State University rejected Dr. Thomas' attempt to enroll at the Historical Black University (HBU). I wonder why more consideration was not given to a person of his stature by a university developed to provide opportunities to black people.

Style

If anyone is reading this page, I've tried to stop an IP from changing the pre-existing style of the article (from Thomas' to Thomas's, as well as other nouns that end in s). See MOS:POSS. I've even left two comments on their Talk page. They're not listening, and I have no basis for a fourth revert. Also, out of ignorance as to Wikipedia style, the IP is also putting quotation marks outside periods. See MOS:LQ.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Detected inaccuracy

I believe that this article is somewhat incorrect. Thomas, in fact, was working as a janitor at Vanderbilt university before blalock took him on. He hired Thomas as his surgical assistant. You may want to consider adding this info. Look it up, it can be verified. MintyNinja41 (talk)

    I believe you're correct. Vivien Thomas was hired as a maintenance worker (janitor) at Vanderbilt when Blalock "discovered" him. He made Thomas his      laboratory assistant. I'll add this information as soon as I can; verified by Dr. Thomas's book, "Partners of the Heart".

Starsmark (talk) 04:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another inaccuracy

The article states as follows in the lead-in: "A documentary based on his life, Something the Lord Made, in May 2004 on HBO." This in incorrect. Something the Lord Made is a 2004 HBO movie dramatization based on Vivien Thomas's book, "Partners of the Heart". It is not a documentary. It stars Alan Rickman as Alfred Blalock, Mos Def as Vivien Thomas, and Mary Stuart Masterson as Helen Taussig.

The PBS series, "The American Experience" produced a documentary on Dr. Thomas's life in 2003.

I apologize if this sounds critical, but the line, "A documentary based on his life, Something the Lord Made, in May 2004 on HBO," in not a grammatically correct sentence.

I will undertake these corrections as soon as I find my copy of "Partners of the Heart", and the correct citations for the 2004 HBO movie and the 2003 PBS documentary. Starsmark (talk) 04:43, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Add Infobox

Shouldn't there be an infobox in the top right corner just like most other pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MaximusAlphus (talk • contribs) 00:05, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

new(remove "new" when old): French translation

Vivien Thomas is a great character in history and has greatly contributed into making the people rejected by the white people able to access employments, status and salaries equal to white men. Therefor, there only is "humans". "Skin color" isn't considered anymore to define a person's value - because we all have a great value. Demonstrating the human rights by the Vivien Thomas example in French would be really well appreciated. I could try it - but i am not familiar with Wikipedia and have no account. Thanx! All your efforts are appreciated! :)

Citation

@Maria Cristina Sangiovanni: Reference #32, to Thomas's autobiography, cites pages 1154–155. However, it's a 245 page book. Did you mean pages 154–155? (The edit.)

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weaknesses and strengths

maybe the article should have included the weakness he has undergone in his journey with balock .... why ? to enriched future cardiologists and for the sake of future reference 41.90.179.210 (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]