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Reliability of the National Administrative Department of Statistics

The article states that "more reliable sources" put a 37% of whites in Colombia. Why is this considered reliable? My anecdotal experience of a year in Colombia made me believe whites are a small minority. A Colombian person that is not even 100% "white" is even sometimes mistaken for being foreigner, and this happens in the richer areas that are supposed to be at least 50% "white" for the statistic to add up. Furthermore, there is shame involved in having indigenous or especially black ancestry. Persons that have for example clear indigenous features will act surprised or shocked when confronted with information about their non-European ancestry. This is a widespread phenomenon where people would just deny grand or grand grand parents that are not of 100% white origin. Since such factors can easily distort statistics that are from simple surveys, I think this is something that should be taken into consideration when citing sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipedagog (talk • contribs) 23:35, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikipedagog, you are right, if you see the actual article, the 37% are now attributed to the FRD, not the census (who never do the difference of "non ethnic" population. I understand your subjective assumptions about the actual percentage, so, in the near future I plan to do a table with different percentages and differen studies.--Kodosbs (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Why not change the title to European Immigration in Colombia? Is more neutral and objective, that a "term" (White Colombian) unofficial of dubious origin?, or maybe create an more general article called Ethnography of Colombia. Regards--GiovBag (talk) 10:58, 5 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GiovBag - right now the article is more about european immigration to Colombia, but while race is not as much a factor in Colombia as it is in the U.S., it is somewhat important, and articles about the various racial groups of Colombia are appropriate. This article and this paper would be good places to start in writing an article about white identity in Colombia. (But I'm not going to do it, because I'm too lazy and my Spanish isn't good enough to do the research. And I don't like sifting through all the crap that I'd find trying to look this stuff up.) By the way, why did you delete the "ethnic group" infobox from the article? Argyriou (talk) 02:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because "White colombian" is not an Ethnic group, it is just a term to describe colombians with european origin, but whom belong to different ethnic: italians, germans, spaniards, slavic, etc. In that way, is not better talk about of Colombian of European origins? or European immigration to Colombia?--GiovBag (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Most "white Colombians" are of Spanish origin, though there are some other European and Middle Eastern Colombians. However, there is some ethnic awareness and cohesion at the level of "white" versus "non-white" - the War of Independence was essentially a family conflict among white Colombians, with one side partially mobilizing non-white (mestizo, mainly) Colombians to prevail. The elite of Colombia is much whiter than the general population, and the links I gave indicate that there are some racial attitudes within Colombia which point to "white Colombian" being a distinct population within Colombia, while differences within that group based on exactly where in Europe or the Near East one's ancestors came from being much less important. Up through my parents' generation, and even perhaps later, white Colombians with any status pretensions at all would not marry non-whites, except *maybe* mestizos who were mostly white (like Jessica Alba). So there is a basis for identifying "white Colombians" as an ethne, just as White Americans are. It might be appropriate to change the title to "Euro-Colombian", except that would be synthesis, as the term only turns up currency exchange discussions in Google right now, and does not appear to be used by anyone discussing ethnicity or race. Argyriou (talk) 00:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Considering: a) The article refers to Colombian's population of European origin; and b) "White Colombian" is no recognized as an ethnic group, as has been demonstrated. The most logical and neutral thing to do is to rename the article, to Colombian of European descent, or something like that. Regards.--GiovBag (talk) 08:01, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Argyriou and with Secret killer. Clearly you've failed to make the case for renaming the article. "White Colombian" is more inclusive, allowing Colombians of Middle Eastern ancestry to be included under that umbrella. SamEV (talk) 19:45, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that there is some "white" awareness too as Argyriou says, but I am open to do a discussion about a proper name for the article.--Kodosbs (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete

Considering that: [1], this article would be deleted.--GiovBag (talk) 11:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This artice is unnecessary. All information contained in it, exist in other ones: Colombian people, Immigration to Colombia and Demographics of Colombia. White Colombian is not a ethnic group, and this article seems original research. In fact, it is, to determine unilaterally the existence of an ethnic group not recognized by any publication, statement or valid source.--GiovBag (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images are not allowed inside the infobox but the images are allowed in the article as a way to keep wikipedia illustrated

Images are not allowed inside the infobox but the images are allowed in the article as a way to keep wikipedia illustrated.

Why are not allowed to place people in this article and in the opposite case can be placed people in other articles such as the following?

Germans, Italians, Americans, Mexican Americans, Bulgarians, etc.

I think that you are committing an injustice against Wikipedians who try to illustrate the wikipedia. All these Wikipedians are not violating any rules, wikipedia policies do not prevent highlight some people in sections of the article other than the infobox.--181.137.12.115 (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There has never been any consensus as to who was depicted, and you simply grabbed your own preferred 'notables' to create a gallery in the notables section as a method of getting around WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES. Now, in order to get around it, you've sandwiched the text by plastering the entire article with enormous images of your personal selection of notables. As I have already suggested to you, try getting some form of WP:CONSENSUS together with other editors on this talk page regarding a small gallery in the relevant section.
How would you feel if I were to go through these today and substitute every one of those with other notables who I believe to be more important, then another editor came through and changed them to another selection tomorrow (then multiply it by 50 other editors passing through)? We'd all have the right to do so because no one WP:OWNs the article.
Find some form of consensus with other editors. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a problem in that other people add other notable people to this list. --181.137.12.115 (talk) 20:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In this list there are people from different backgrounds, such as athletes, artists, scientists and politicians. --181.137.12.115 (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, obviously you don't see a problem. I am telling you that there is a problem, particularly in light of the fact that you've adopted a WP:BATTLEGROUND attitude to the content of this article. At the moment, I politely suggest that you self-revert. Follow WP:BRD. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not doing anything wrong, I am pointing out that there are other articles on wikipedia where there are pictures of notables, so it is obvious that I am not committing any harm to this article.
Read these articles:
Germans, Italians, Americans, Mexican Americans, Bulgarians, etc.--181.137.12.115 (talk) 20:56, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As noted by another editor who has reverted your edits, Wikipedia is WP:NOT an image repository. If you can't see the difference between the size of the article in comparison to the number of images as compared to the other articles, then I think you have problems with your judgement. The articles you are pointing to are also going through teething problems after having the infobox galleries removed and the overly large galleries will be trimmed. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
2 images in the section of the article and therefore are few images, if you deleted these images, it is obvious that you are attacking my edits. --181.137.12.115 (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
181.137.12.115, too many pictures do not add extra value to the article. Please see BRD and consider dispute resolution. JimRenge (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
They are only 2 pictures and I'm not damaging the article, it is clear that you decided to attack my edits. --181.137.12.115 (talk) 21:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Let me clarify that I am going to defend my edits because I have the right to edit on Wikipedia because I am not vandalizing--181.137.12.115 (talk) 21:47, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Difficult article

Who is a "white"? Now with the genetic revolution, pure ethnics are over. Colombians in particular are mixed. Maybe some racists would find it as a dismain, but the true is that anthropology predicts a global merge of races in 10 thousand years. It puts Colombia in a good level of "the people of the future". Just that list of "Colombian white people" is funny: If Fernando Botero has not African and Native American gens, he would not be Colombian. For me this article is useless. --Albeiror24 - English - Español - Italiano - ខ្មែរ 14:20, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

White and Mestizo demographics info

According to the 2005 census, 37 percent of the population self-identify as being white - This phrase has never existed in the Census.

The 2005 census reported that the "non-ethnic population", consisting of whites and mestizos (those of mixed white European and Amerindian ancestry), constituted 86% of the national population. 10.6% is of African ancestry. Indigenous Amerindians comprise 3.4% of the population. 0.01% of the population are Roma. http://www.dane.gov.co/files/censo2005/etnia/sys/visibilidad_estadistica_etnicos.pdf
An extraofficial estimate considers that the 49% of the Colombian population is Mestizo or of mixed European and Amerindian ancestry, and that approximately 37% is White - https://www.loc.gov/resource/frdcstdy.colombiacountrys00huds/?sp=181
I put a sentence more appropriate.


Cuadro 1. Censos de Población en Colombia, y criterios de identificación de los grupos étnicos, siglos XX y XXI

Año Total Indígenas % Negros o afrocolombianos % Rom (Gitanos) %
2005 41.468.384 1.392.623 3,40 4.311.757 10,60 4.858 0,01

El Censo General 2005 contó a un total de 41.468.384 personas residentes en el territorio colombiano, de las cuales 5.709.238 personas se reconocieron pertenecientes a un grupo étnico. De acuerdo con la información del Censo General 2005, la población indígena, es el 3,43% de la población del país que dio información sobre su pertenencia étnica; los afrocolombianos corresponden al 10,62% del total y el pueblo Rom o gitano es el 0,01% de la población total, el 85,94% de la población nacional no se reconoció perteneciente a ninguno de los grupos étnicos, el 2,08% no informó sobre su pertenencia étnica. pp. 27-28. =>http://www.dane.gov.co/files/censo2005/etnia/sys/visibilidad_estadistica_etnicos.pdf

Ethnic groups: mestizo and white 84.2%, Afro-Colombian (includes multatto, Raizal, and Palenquero) 10.4%, Amerindian 3.4%, Roma <.01, unspecified 2.1% (2005 est.) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/co.html - According to international agencies like the CIA


Thank you----ControlCorV (talk) 15:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers are not correlating

The article states that 37% of Colombians are White which would be approximately 18.5 million. However the article gives 23.5 million as the number which would be 47%. I will therefore change the number to 18.5 million. - Pastore Barracuda (talk) 13:37, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Pastore Barracuda. I would appreciate your help in further protecting this site. --Kodosbs (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

numbers

Please do not change the cited data without providing reliable sources. Meters (talk) 22:58, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

37% figure.

In regard to this figure, I would like to say it is indeed veridic. This stems from the 2005 census, last census where Colombians got asked on how they self-identify themselves. More recent census don't make this question (they only ask whether the person considers themselves to be non-white or non-mestizo a.k.a. minorities).

Additionally, according to genetic studies, Colombians are on average around 60% Caucasian and those who identify as White Colombians are a little more (65% or more).

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