Talk:Steffi Graf

The facts sections states her highest ranking as #5. Wasn't she ranked #1 for like 377 weeks?

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I can't understand what is meant by "Becker, the worst boy player".

Isn't her title "Fräulein Forehand", with the umlaut, as it is correct German? Lecartia

Yes, that's true! (Carsten; Nürnberg/Germany)

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Is she a US citizen by now?

Steffi Graf quit the Roman Cathoic church around 1998.

Steffi Graf quit the Roman Cathoic church around 1998. MIght have been for tax reason, but we cannot really tell. From [1] . Brickbats by Charles Oliver:

Tennis player Steffi Graf says she quit the Roman Catholic Church for "personal reasons." But others say that she could have been one of the thousands of Germans who have left their churches to save on taxes. Since the days of the Weimar Republic, Germany has collected a tax from members of organized religion to fund those churches. Only members of unrecognized faiths, such as Islam or Scientology, are exempt. The tax is now 8 percent or 9 percent of a person's income. But those who aren't members of a church don't have to pay, prompting many to leave their churches.

-- Pinktulip 11:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

picture?

She is a famous person who has been all over TV, etc and there is no picture of her?

yes, and also someone teach me how to put a picture on articles.Tennislover 21:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 21:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, add a picture.........................206.126.81.95 03:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most lopsided defeat

This record is easily verified by going to WTA, for example, and finding the wimbledon records for all the number one ranked players for a given years and seeing their performance at wimbly. The stat is constantly trotted out during wimbledons when people are getting beaten badly. It's common knowledge, something a "tennisexpert" would surely know.Ernham 19:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, your comment is incivil. Second, if it is "common knowledge," you should be able to find and cite a source for the information within just a couple of minutes. This is your burden because you are the editor wanting to add the information to the article. Tennis expert 05:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The cite is simply wimbledon tournament results. Easily verifiable. Your continued abuse of this wiki I will not tolerate. You continually apply a double standard in your editing of tennis players. If you cannot be bothered to check a simple tournament report for ~30 years(since ratings began), I find it striking you "allow" all sorts of much more convoluted, assumptive, extravagant and calculation oriented stats in wikis such as Roger Federer's, which I know you edit daily. Where does your hatred for Graf come from, hmmm? Ernham 12:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And before you bother to demand formal proof from a notary republic or somesuch over the Evert comments(Gosh, it must be revolting to you that one of the greatest female tennis players ever think Graf was the greatest female tennis player, eh?), they are from ESPN classics interview with her, which I'm trying to get the info on for a formal APA cite.Ernham 12:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

considered to be one of the greatest of all time

"She is generally considered to be one of the greatest female tennis players of all time." Maybe, but it's horribly bad style to include this in an encyclopedia article intro without introducing at least one lousy reference. You see, just about every single extraordinarily successful sportsperson (especially Tennis players, it seems) is "considered to be one of the greatest of all time". I am intending to make this bad habit stop, because it is generally considered to be necessary for any information to be verifiable. <humour with a hint of seriousness>Death to fan cruft inserters!</humour with a hint of seriousness>. —Kncyu38 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like that intro style, either. But it seems to be used with many sports stars. When I have time, I will try to work in the quotes of Navratilova, Evert, and Billie King, all of which greats in their own rights who share the opinion that Graf was the greatest seen in women's tennis.Ernham 16:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The quotes from Navratilova, Evert, and King are already in the article.Tennis expert 19:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They are, indeed. Not sure what that has to do with anything, though. The point is that they decrease "weaselness" to vague "greatest" statements.Ernham 19:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The quotes are what they said and indicate when they said them. If you can find 2006 or 2007 quotes where they unequivocally say that Graf was the "greatest of all time," then I would have no problem with you adding the quotes. But when Navratilova said something in 1996 or King said something in 1999 about Graf's career, it's important to note when they said them because of the players who have come along since. As for Evert, I found the source you recommended and added the appropriate information. Tennis expert 19:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They said what they said. You sure said it. Date information is usually available via examining the cite, one of the main reasons cites even exist. You expect Evert , King, or Navratilova to update you on a weekly basis on who they think the greatest is? If you have a quote saying they no longer feel Graf is the greatest, share it. If not, you have not a leg to stand on. Ernham 19:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, I still have both my legs and stand on them regularly. If the article said, "Billie Jean King has said that Graf is the greatest player of all time," without noting the fact that she said it in 1999, then the article implies that's her current belief. It is misleading to readers not to note specifically the year in which she said it. I do not serious doubt that I could find a 1973 quote from a still-alive tennis commentator saying that "Margaret Smith Court is the greatest player of all time." If I added that to her article without explaining when the quote was provided, then I would be misleading readers and verging on POV pushing. Tennis expert 19:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As said, the onus is on you to find a quote by them stating they have changed their minds about Graf. Go find whatever you want about Court and put it in her wiki; it's sure going to be less weasel than the "one of the greatest" intro already there that does not supply anything backing that title up. For someone that edits a ton, you srue seem to be pretty clueless about wikipedia. Ernham 20:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yet more incivility from you.... Tennis expert 20:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? Stop saying such absurd things, then. You can't expect someone to make daily updates on who they think was the greatest all time "whatever" at. You just don't like the fact that they think it's Graf, that's all. And you can take your POV-laden agenda and beat it.Ernham 20:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about this...

(from an outsider's perspective)

I agree with what's been said about "greatest player" being thrown about all over the place with all sorts of athletes - most of my most recent edit work has been rewording these kinds of flaky claims into something more reasonable.

But if you look at Graf's accomplishments, most notably the 22 Grand Slam titles, and compare to those of her peers, I can't conceive of a list of five or more "greatest female tennis players", by any standard, that doesn't include her.

If you insist on semantics, try something like "...among the most dominant female tennis players..." or "...among the most successful female tennis players..."

If that doesn't work, you might want to consider leaving this one alone - and moving on to editing articles of other athletes whose careers were not quite as prolific - Jerry Rice, for instance.

Peace, Cdcon 06:50, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]