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Career Statistics

Gilberto's early club stats are almost complete. I've used what information I could find on http://www.footballdatabase.com/site/players/index.php?dumpPlayer=1095, but the 1997 and 1998 season needs adding. Any knowledge or sources regarding his early career days would be muchly appreciated.

Thank you, --GilbertoSilvaFan 12:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

International goals

While doing the stats table, I realised an error with the stat of four international goals scored. On Gilberto's sambafoot page, http://www.sambafoot.com/en/players/51_Gilberto_Silva.html - it lists Gilberto as having scored four international goals. One of the goals which is counted is an own goal against Uruguay: http://www.sambafoot.com/en/selecao/2003_World_Cup_Qualifications/361_Brazil_Uruguay.html. Own goals do not count towards the tally, so I took one away. I hope that saves someone thinking I've taken away a goal for no reason.

Also;

Martin tamb spotted a couple more errors with the Sambafoot international caps. Here is what he says:

About Gilberto's caps, I also use the same source as you from sambafoot.com, however, that list includes non official friendly matches. In that list, there are 4 non official friendly matches, which are: vs Selection of Catalonia 2002, vs Selection of Catalonia 2004, vs Sevilla FC 2005, vs Luzern Selection 2006. That's why I'm reducing his caps from 49(4) by 4. His total would be 45(4) from this source

To differ the official and non official matches, I use this page as reference, http://paginas.terra.com.br/esporte/rsssfbrasil/sel/brazila.htm.

Other problems with sambafoot.com is that they also include the matches for the Olympic football team. According to FIFA this does not account into national team caps. Fortunately, for Gilberto this wasn't a problem.

However, another source that i use is http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/team/squad.html?team=BRA. As this one is managed by FIFA, I assume this is the most reliable source. This stats only includes caps and goals at the end of World Cup 2006. You just need to add them with the recent 4 matches under Dunga. But this means he has only 44(3) caps.

That's when I use other source http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/braz-recintlp.html. This page has stats up to Norway match on August 2006. THe listing shows Gilberto has 41(3) caps and we need to add 3 recent matches which resulted to 44(3) caps.

I still doesn't know what caused the difference. All the matches (except those 4) in sambafoot listings were official matches. But two other sources shows that he only has 44(3) caps that's why I'm using that info. The only explanation that I'm thinking is that sambafoot confuses Gilberto (LB from Hertha) and Gilberto Silva for one occasion.

It seems that Martin is right there - so as of October 9 2006 (after the Kuwait friendly), his caps should stand at 44 with 3 international goals.

Volante

Volante is not a nickname. In Spanish or Portuguese its is the name given to a defensive midfielder.

This is a good point - but English journalists do refer to him as Arsenal's "volante". I've never heard him referred to "Parede Invisível" in English, so maybe this should be changed? Your view is greatly appreciated - but remember that the nicknames are going to be from a more English viewpoint, because it's English Wikipedia! :-) In Portuguese and Spanish Wikipedia, "Volante" probably would not appear as his nickname, since that would be like an Englishman calling Beckham "Midfielder". In Spain, calling Beckham "Midfielder", however, could be a nickname. In England, calling a Spanish person "amigo" is a nickname, but it wouldn't be in Spain. The examples go on. What do other people think about this? BTW - I agree that you removed "Gilberto" as a nickname though - it is quite simply his first name - not a nickname!GilbertoSilvaFan 18:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Gilberto images

These images are all uploaded to WP or the Commons. There have been copyright issues with a few of them in the past, even though they are all released by their respective creators under the Sharealike 2.0 license. I am putting this gallery here so I can see clearly all the images available, and for other people to discuss as they wish. -GilbertoSilvaFan 23:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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  Photo by Tom Miles, he released it under CC Sharealike 2.0. Perfect for article.
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  I took this. Small photo, substitute for the one to the left.
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  I took this. Would fit in 'outside football' section.
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  Photo by AndyPandyUK. Currently 'infobox' photo. Good photo, but maybe for use in main article rather than info box.
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  I took this. Very small and blurry photo. Only frontal photo of shirted Bert though.
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  I took this. Could be dumped from article...
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  I took this. Nice shot, doesn't enhance article though.
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  Jaime took this. GREAT photo, uploaded with proper copyright tags this time.

I would suggest trimming Image:Gilberto_School_Visit.jpg down so it only contains Mr Silva. As it is quite a high quality photo, it could be used in the info box. If/when I get my photoshop working, I will also enhance my photo as the it was taken with an old phone camera at the time. Of course the ideal photograph would be a frontal photograph of Gilberto whilst playing football, similar to Image:Gilberto Silva.png but higher quality, without the net and a football. Image:Gilberto Interview.jpg could also do with a little tweaking as it seems rather dull, not offence. ;)