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FYI: Two Authority control maintenance categories are now essentially empty

After a bit of effort, as of about 15 minutes ago Category:Pages using authority control with parameters all matching Wikidata is empty and Category:Pages using authority control with parameters different on Wikidata only has 2 entries (both of which are articles for 2 people which makes the Authority control a little complicated). Now that the numbers are low it should be fairly easy to keep them down. Gusfriend (talk) 13:21, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Great work. I would love to stop using the local parameters ... is it feasible? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Gusfriend: in case you missed my comment above. Would it be feasible, in your opinion, to now stop using local parameters in this template? In other words, editors would have to make their changes on the Wikidata item instead of updating the local parameters. This would greatly simplify the maintenance required on this template — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:34, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I admit to missing your earlier notice. My only concern is the situation where the Wikidata item hasn't been created yet. I work at AfC and sometimes when I approve articles there are items like Google Scholar, ORCID, MGP, etc. so it is kind of useful to use it as a placeholder until the Wikidata page has been created.
Having said that, with less than 550 pages with local parameters (over 300 of them redirects) I can see the number of pages with parameters being down to a handful by the end of the year and at that point you could change it so that the information isn't presented (just like Facebook, etc.) and the page appears in one of the categories. Then it becomes a manual process for those like me who can watch the categories and then import them into Wikidata.
Gusfriend (talk) 07:59, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The more that I think about it the more that I like the idea of ignoring any use of the local parameters in the template. I was just reading H:PARAMETER and it says Parameters can be specified (and will do nothing) even if not represented in the template's code. which seems perfect. If you wanted to be amazing you could take advantage of Some templates call Module:Check for unknown parameters to warn the editor if a parameter is being used that is not accounted for in the template's code; this is mostly used for infoboxes and other templates with a large number of complicated parameters, where the presence of an unknown one is usually an unintentional error. which would be a bit of a pain from a maintenance point of view. Gusfriend (talk) 11:19, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request for format regex and URL for National Library of Korea ID

Current URL link and format regex for NLK ID (Wikidata P5034) in this template (Line from 651 to 658) does not reflect NLK IDs for subject headings. To solve this problem, I've changed URL link and format regex of NLK ID to LOD typed database in Wikidata. Yet I could not edit this template. Please anyone in charge check updating this template's URL link and format regex for NLK ID as current Wikidata P5034 I've edited. Thank you. - LinkedYes (talk) 04:10, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Library of Korea ID errors

The "Authority control" template on the articles Government and Economics both display errors which read "The NLK id KSH[...] is not valid", but the ids on WikiData link to the appropriate pages and, unless I've misread it, the documentation for the National Library of Korea ID appears to show that the ids are both valid and correctly formatted. Does anyone know what the problem is and how to fix it? Is the problem on Wikipedia's end or WikiData's? – Scyrme (talk) 21:00, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see message above from LinkedYes. I'll look at updating shortly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As a regular expression the new format is (KAB|KAC|KSH)([0-9]{4}|[0-9]{4}[a-zA-Z])[0-9]{4,6} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:57, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, this means that you intend to update the template to repair this error?
I assume this is a systematic issue that I can't fix; Category:Articles with faulty NLK identifiers is clogged with 251 errors, and it seems likely most are caused by this issue. – Scyrme (talk) 00:14, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, @Martin! I forgot to embed 'edit request' template here.
For @Scyrme, the issue here is not a systematic one between Wikipedia and Wikidata, yet rather a technical issue about how 'authority control' template (more precisely, the Module:Authority control that the authority control template is grounded) is representing NLK IDs entered in Wikidata. I think with little adjustment on module above I've mentioned, error messages on authority control templates will be cleared. - LinkedYes (talk) 01:54, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I meant by "systematic issue"; that the problem is with the template or something else in the chain, in this case the module, which is then systematically reflected on all these articles as error warnings.
I suspect a similar issue is the cause of the errors noted in the section below, since I don't see any error on WikiData's end. @MSGJ: I'd appreciate if you could also take a look at them when you get around the problem with the NLK ids. – Scyrme (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please check the following are working now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:19, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems your proposals below are working so well! Thank you for your sincere help, @MSGJ! - LinkedYes (talk) 09:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, great. I have deployed those changes — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Authority control incorrectly (?) identifying errors

National Diet Library ID error

Cao Zhiyun reports "The NDL id a1100032495 is not valid" but the WikiData entry flags up no issues and the link works. Does anyone know what's causing this error? – Scyrme (talk) 00:09, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you know what the format of this identifier should be, I can try to update it here. It seems that 0?\d{8} is not correct now — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:26, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: Apologies for the late response. It seems like 0?\d{8} is still correct for most identifiers, however some have 9 digits and others prefix the 9 digits with a1, which is the case with Cao Zhiyun's identifier. I wasn't able to find any examples exceeding 9 digits which were not prefixed with a1. I don't know if it's possible to search through a list of every id to look for exceptions.
Examples
  • Prefixed with "a1": a1 100 032 495; a1 100 028 952; a1 100 016 921
  • 9 digits: 032 138 882; 001 360 828; 201 339 322
  • 8 digits: 00 564 222; 00 451 456; 00 090 252
My knowledge of regex notation is limited, and I'm unsure how to restate this in the proper format. I think the correct regex would be something like (a1)?[0-9]?\d{8}. Does that seem correct to you? – Scyrme (talk) 00:28, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DBLP identifier errors

The authority control templates on Paul Green (engineer) and Richard Harvey (scientist) flag up that their respective DBLP ids are not valid, yet WikiData doesn't flag up any errors and their respective links ([1], [2]) appear to demonstrate that the ids are correct. Does anyone know what the issue is and how to fix it? – Scyrme (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Green and Richard Harvey are listed as exceptions to the rule on Wikidata, see wikidata:Property:P2456#P2302. I'm not sure if we could/should code up similar exceptions in Module:Authority control — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:30, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: I think a better approach would be to update the regular expression both here and on WikiData, rather than code up ad hoc exceptions. This would make the exceptions unnecessary and prevent future errors.
WikiData exceptions
  • Type 1: 12/4426jr; 05/5804r; 82/451mp; 00/2186Cabot; 89/4185-p
  • Type 2: j/1
The first type of exceptions actually follows the first format given by Wikidata, before the |, except it appends a string of non-numerical characters to the end. The second type follows the the second format, after the |, except that it has a number after the slash instead of a letter.
\d{2,3}/\d+(-\d+)?|[a-z]/[a-zA-Z][0-9A-Za-z]*(-\d+)? < Current expression given be Wikidata.
\d{2,3}\/\d+(-\d+)?[a-zA-Z-]*(-\d+)?|[a-z]\/[0-9a-zA-Z][0-9A-Za-z]*(-\d+)? < What I think is the new, correct expression.
\d{2,3}\/\d+(-\d+)?[a-zA-Z-]*(-\d+)?|[a-z]\/[0-9A-Za-z]*(-\d+)? < This simpler expression might also work, but I'm unsure.
What do you think? Do you agree? – Scyrme (talk) 00:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: If you are very busy, do you know of anyone else on Wikipedia I could ask for assistance with checking that my suggested regex is correct? Even if you are too busy to update the template any time soon, it could save some time to at least know that these are the correct expressions and I could update Wikidata in the meantime. – Scyrme (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Change the look of the authority control module

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § Change the look of the authority control module. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:11, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion closed without much participation or consensus for change — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Authority control (arts) - supressing ISO code ISNI

Please stop supressing ISNI. 77.191.176.0 (talk) 23:41, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What does it add that e.g. Viaf doesn´t already have, and which is of interest to enough enwiki readers? Fram (talk) 08:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@1 stopping the supression in case of existence of an ISNI in Wikidata may add the following "which Viaf doesn´t already have"
  1. a link to en:ISNI
  2. a link to information about the item at isni.org
@2 please define "of interest to enough enwiki readers". Otherwise it is impossible to answer.
@Tom.Reding and Pigsonthewing: you are the only other editors beside Fram that edited Template:Authority control (arts) more than once. Who decided to supress ISNI display and by doing so maybe remove it from pages where it existed for many years? 78.54.89.82 (talk) 09:00, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A link to ISNI is not a good reason to have this, there is no reason that all biographies should have a link to Isni. A link to isni.org, yes, that´s why I asked what isni offered that e.g. viaf doesn´t. Isni offers isni isn´t really helpful. What information is there on Isni, e.g for Andy Warhol where you raised this issue, which is not available through the other authority links? Fram (talk) 14:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. You didn't ask for "good reason to have this", in doubt, read your own question again.
  2. "there is no reason that all biographies should have a link to Isni" - no one suggested doing so in this section
  3. "A link to isni.org, yes, that´s why I asked what isni offered" - you didn't asked that.
  4. "Isni offers isni isn´t really helpful." - what do you talk about?
  5. "What information is there on Isni, e.g for Andy Warhol where you raised this issue, which is not available through the other authority links?" - I didn't do so.
Would you mind stopping handing out new questions before answering those directed at you? 78.54.89.82 (talk) 19:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No idea what your problem is but I don´t see this discussion becoming fruitful with your approach here. Fram (talk) 06:38, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first edit that I found which removed ISNIs was done 2021-02-18 by User:Fram having the edit summary "Removed ISNI, provides no information above what is available in the others" [3]. The correctness of the claim has not been demonstrated. Please revert this unilateral and deceptive content removal. 78.54.89.82 (talk) 10:09, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You raised this at Andy Warhol. Can you indicate what info Isni offers for our readers of that article, which isn´t offered by the other links in the template already? Fram (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't. 78.54.89.82 (talk) 19:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So the question about using this template and thereby losing the link to ISNI, at Talk:Andy Warhol, was not posted by you, despite coming from the same IP address in the same week? Please don´t play silly games. Fram (talk) 06:38, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2022-08-29 there are 21474 items in Wikidata about humans that have ISNI but no VIAF https://w.wiki/5dY8 78.54.89.82 (talk) 10:21, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It looks as if the vast majority of those are not about artists anyway, and many of the others won´t have an enwiki article. I noticed that at least some do have a Viaf, but it´s deprecated. Fram (talk) 14:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. How did you determine that "It looks as if the vast majority of those are not about artists anyway"?
  2. "I noticed that at least some do have a Viaf, but it´s deprecated." - that means the viaf id stored there is not about the human in question, and misplaced. So there is not VIAF record
https://w.wiki/5dfS - a query limited to 10000 results to avoid query time out yields 10000 items having ISNI, sitelink to enwiki and not having VIAF. The first result is about Rebecca Black, a singer. 78.54.89.82 (talk) 20:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Authority control (arts) - deceptive naming

Please rename the header which currently is the same as for Template:Authority control - but the template does not behave the same, most importantly it may show fewer information than Template:Authority control on pages about humans and can make users think the information is missing in Wikidata. 78.54.89.82 (talk) 09:03, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is only a handful of users aware which ids are included in the main template anyway, and which are on Wikidata but not included. I see no reason why our editorial choices about what to include and what not should be included in a template header on thousands of pages. Fram (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please replace the deceptive naming of your choice with one that is not deceptive. 78.54.89.82 (talk) 20:42, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Authority control (arts) - documentation and categories

Template:Authority_control/doc#Wikidata_and_tracking_categories - will those that have a parameter supressed still be added to the tracking category? If not, can columnes for the quantity of supression and the quantity of total ids if not supressed be added to the documentation table? In case that is not possible can an extra table be made for Template:Authority control (arts) that shows the supression? 78.54.89.82 (talk) 09:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Authority control (arts) - missing documentation of which pages get this template instead of the general one

Can the decision process about when this template was added to an item about a human instead of the general one be added to documentation? 78.54.89.82 (talk) 09:47, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As the title implies, it´s done when it´s about art or artists. Feel free to improve the documentation of course. Fram (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"As the title implies, it´s done when it´s about art or artists." - how can one verify if it is correct what you claim? Are there only 16000 artists in enwiki and who decided that singers are not artists? 78.54.89.82 (talk) 20:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It matches the Category:Artists, which is also only about visual artists and not about musicians. So nothing deceptive or weird about it, just internal consistency. Feel free to propose a rename of the category, and then this template can follow. Fram (talk) 06:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Once more you say something that is not true. Andy Warhol is in the category:Artists but also in Category:20th-century American male musicians. And he got the template replaced [4]. 77.183.31.210 (talk) 11:56, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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