Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heidi Saadiya

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The result was no consensus. DatGuy^Talk_Contribs 14:41, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Heidi Saadiya[edit]

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"...being Kerala's first transgender national television newsreader." (refs 1-8) does not confirm notability. David notMD (talk) 09:02, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sexuality and gender, India, and Kerala. David notMD (talk) 09:02, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep There's quite a lot of coverage here, she's been the subject of coverage as the first transgender woman to become Kerala’s first broadcast journalist. This 2020 Hindustan Times article offers some additional context, and she also received coverage in The Indian Express in 2019. She is also discussed by SheThePeople in 2019. -Imperfect Boy (talk) 09:49, 11 August 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock. Beccaynr (talk) 02:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There is a similar article, see Padmini Prakash. India's first transgender television news anchor. -Imperfect Boy (talk) 09:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFF is not a valid argument. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's not an argument. I just put it as a comment. -Imperfect Boy (talk) 10:21, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unfortunately, despite his previous promise, the creator has moved this draft into article space without a review for the third time. If we move it back to draft, we'll need to protect it so that he can't create it again. Deb (talk) 10:37, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm currently neutral on the article itself, but if this is deleted again, I think some WP:SALT might be required. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:46, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Support WP:SALT'ing. Can I draftify and work on this article and try submitting it through AfC? — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 12:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vortex3427 you can !vote to draftity, but you'd need to see what the outcome of this AfD is before actually doing it. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:03, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Of the eight refs, five are dated September 2019, about her first job assignment. The others are about her being a journalism student/trainee. No mention of accomplishments since then, or even that she is still working as a journalist. There is no confirmation of a career. The lede mentions acting, transgender rights activist and Youtube, but nothing about that in the article. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

:*Comment news about Heidi Saadiya on 2018: They welcomed her with open arms. 2019 :Meet Heidi Saadiya, Kerala's First Transgender Broadcast Journalist, Meet Heidi Saadiya, Kerala’s first transwoman journalist, A 22-year-old trans journalist tells us why many like her are forced to beg or dance for a living. 2020: Transwoman journalist Heidi Saadia ties the knot on Republic Day in Kerala — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imperfect Boy (talk • contribs) 01:18, 12 August 2022 (UTC) Blocked sock David notMD (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Comment 2018 is student days, 2019 is first job assignment, 2020 is wedding. Still no confirmation of a continuing, noteworthy journalism career. David notMD (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep given multiple pieces of independant coverage to meet WP:GNG, but it's not overly significant, hence a weak !vote. However the creator should still be WP:TROUTed for repeated moving it to mainspace without review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:07, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Ms Saadiya managed to attract media attention for two things: (a) being a transgender broadcaster in the public eye and having this tweeted by a politician, (b) being one of the first to have a trans-couple marriage under Indian law. Is that WP:BLP2E? More generally, do we need bios for every person who satisfies “nth person of type x to do y-thing in location z”? Is it a problem if we do? In this case, the 4-tuples seem to be (1?, transgender, TV news announcer, Kerala) and (4, transwoman, marriage, Kerala or maybe all India). If we had articles like Transgender personalities in Indian media or Transgender marriage in India it might be covered better there. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 02:11, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply She is the first transgender journalist from Kerala. Hope Being first in a field (from a country/state) needs an article. Imperfect Boy (talk) 02:40, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Commment Simply "being first" at something doesn't matter, it's what independant coverage there is that matters for WP:GNG. -Kj cheetham (talk) 09:52, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, just being the first from a state, not a country, just a state is not enough. She isn't famous enough. --Gilgul Kaful (talk) 07:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply the references meets WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. -Imperfect Boy (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep, same argumentation as @Kj cheetham, as I do agree it seems that WP:GNG is met, which I think means WP:BASIC is met. Cafkafk (talk) 18:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep said by Cafkafk and KJ Cheetham, meets GNG (Note: The unsigned vote to the left was apparently done by IP 2409:4073:211F:8449:CC12:D4FF:FEB5:2B18, I have moved it to a newline. --LordPeterII (talk) 09:09, 26 August 2022 (UTC))[reply]
Weak keep. Multiple sources found, not all useful but some (thus weak). She isn't famous enough isn't a valid argument, if sources exist: If an article passes WP:GNG, that suffices even if it otherwise fails subject-specific notability guidelines. However, I do support Kj cheetham's move for a trouting; that moving behaviour is not acceptable (but doesn't influence my opinion on the article). --LordPeterII (talk) 09:04, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Multiple sources found. Article meets WP:GNG 49.206.8.53 (talk) 18:23, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sock: Imperfect Boy - the article creator and opponent to deletion - has been blocked as a sockpuppet 30 August 2022. Hence, G5 applies. David notMD (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pelagic and Cmr's edits protect the article from G5, I think. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 06:49, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.