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No consensus
The discussion "45,000 real figure. 93,000 exaggerated" did not arrive at a consensus regarding the 45,000 number. Sources almost all agree that the number of prisoners was somewhere in the 91,000 - 97,000 range. Sources disagree regarding how many of them were Pakistani regular army, navy, and air force. You're welcome to try to craft an RfC that sets out the various sources and seeks a consensus way of presenting the inconsistencies in the article. --Worldbruce (talk) 11:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- I mean i wouldn't say almost all, since the documentary film I saw claimed 20,000 army and every source i see for 90's range is a new article or is dated decades after 1971. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- The question won't be resolved on this page. I have no idea what documentary you saw, so can't comment on that. We should be using recent historical scholarship (typically sources published by academic presses in the past 20 years or so). If for some reason you want a more contemporaneous source, one of the oldest I've seen is: Burke, S. M. (1973). "The Postwar Diplomacy of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971". Asian Survey. 13 (11): 1036–1049. doi:10.2307/2642858. JSTOR 2642858.
Initially, the Simla Agreement was well received in both countries, but by the end of 1972 much of the optimism ... had evaporated. The change for the worse ... resulted from the continuing deadlock over the release of some 93,000 Pakistani prisoners of war, including 15,000 civilian men, women and children, captured in East Pakistan (the few hundred prisoners captured by each side on the Western front were exchanged on December 1, 1972).
--Worldbruce (talk) 01:54, 22 May 2022 (UTC)- i am just seeing one page on those links you said that doesnt say any number for the POWs. Another thing that caused by suspicions was how large the armies were, east pakistan at 90 thousand yet when a couple thousand soldiers die they surrender? I mean according to the pakistani generals they could've gone on after a month but it was something that raised by suspicion. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 11:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies for butting in, the 93,000 figure for POWs is true, I have access. X-750 Rust In Peace... Polaris 14:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Huh? Your English is so broken I can't understand what you mean. Worldbruce (talk) 14:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- i am just seeing one page on those links you said that doesnt say any number for the POWs. Another thing that caused by suspicions was how large the armies were, east pakistan at 90 thousand yet when a couple thousand soldiers die they surrender? I mean according to the pakistani generals they could've gone on after a month but it was something that raised by suspicion. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 11:11, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- The question won't be resolved on this page. I have no idea what documentary you saw, so can't comment on that. We should be using recent historical scholarship (typically sources published by academic presses in the past 20 years or so). If for some reason you want a more contemporaneous source, one of the oldest I've seen is: Burke, S. M. (1973). "The Postwar Diplomacy of the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971". Asian Survey. 13 (11): 1036–1049. doi:10.2307/2642858. JSTOR 2642858.
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- but "Russia allegedly" doesnt need a source right? please be consistent with your logic PreserveOurHistory (talk) 09:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please stop your disruptive editing. Wikipedia aims to provide a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing other users potentially compromises that safe environment. If you continue to harass other editors, you may be blocked from editing. Doug Weller talk 10:46, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- what did I do wrong? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 14:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- This was harassment.
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- why do you want a source? Or are you unaware of this war? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 3:42 am, 2 October 2022, Sunday (28 days ago) (UTC+1)[reply]
- why arent you adding it? Why do you insist on wasting my time for a source? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 8:41 am, 8 October 2022, Saturday (21 days ago) (UTC+1)[reply]
- if you dont have a clue about this war why are you the one in charge of the article? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 8:42 am, 8 October 2022, Saturday (21 days ago) (UTC+1)[reply]
- I really don't have to waste my time with your mental deficiency. Add the edit. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 9:03 am, Today (UTC+1)"
- Doug Weller talk 14:55, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not that knowledgeable on Wikipedia, but isn't it the job of the person i was replying to, meant to be that he does edits? If we are not given the permission, and the people straight up ignore us then what the hell do i do? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ordinary editors do not have jobs, although Wikipedia:Administrators like myself do. Also, there is no deadline. Doug Weller talk 16:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- No one is in charge of an article and if you think it’d ok to call someone mentally deficient then you don’t belong here. Which is where my “job” might come in. Doug Weller talk 16:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually lets think about it, if someone has been given permission to edit an article, no one else has the permission, then the people who have permission are obliged to edit yes? The Other person was doing disruptive editing because they are ignoring a correction. Please tell me again if its okay to ignore edits! I'd like to hear more about your mindset! PreserveOurHistory (talk) 01:01, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I give up. In September User:Rsk6400 pointed you to Wikipedia:Reliable sources which clearly says "Wikipedia requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations. ". See also WP:VERIFY. When User:Aaron Liu rightly asked for a source, as required, you harassed and insulted him. He couldn't add what you wanted added without a source and I think most editors would have ignored you. Doug Weller talk 09:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- 😹😹😹 This person "Tikka Khan" is featured in another article called "1971 Indo Pakistani war", but is not featured in the article "Bangladesh Liberation War", if anything he is meant to be in the Bangladesh war article and not in the 1971 indo-pak article. Simple correction. This person does not know who Tikka Khan is, so he doesnt know anything about the war. So why not bring people who are actually know at least something about the war? Like I said before, i'm not wasting my time proving something like its not an established fact. Leave it, if you people aren't willing to add this really minor change-request then its your choice. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 10:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh golly, I didn't know about this until now. In addition to the points Doug raised,
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2. See WP:ER. It is not the responsibility of the responder to know the sources and the event of the article. It's the responsibility of the request maker to provide sources.
3. See the topic above. The permission is automatically given for editors with 500 edits, not people who applied and have a knowledge on the topic. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh golly, I didn't know about this until now. In addition to the points Doug raised,
- 😹😹😹 This person "Tikka Khan" is featured in another article called "1971 Indo Pakistani war", but is not featured in the article "Bangladesh Liberation War", if anything he is meant to be in the Bangladesh war article and not in the 1971 indo-pak article. Simple correction. This person does not know who Tikka Khan is, so he doesnt know anything about the war. So why not bring people who are actually know at least something about the war? Like I said before, i'm not wasting my time proving something like its not an established fact. Leave it, if you people aren't willing to add this really minor change-request then its your choice. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 10:44, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I give up. In September User:Rsk6400 pointed you to Wikipedia:Reliable sources which clearly says "Wikipedia requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations. ". See also WP:VERIFY. When User:Aaron Liu rightly asked for a source, as required, you harassed and insulted him. He couldn't add what you wanted added without a source and I think most editors would have ignored you. Doug Weller talk 09:16, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Actually lets think about it, if someone has been given permission to edit an article, no one else has the permission, then the people who have permission are obliged to edit yes? The Other person was doing disruptive editing because they are ignoring a correction. Please tell me again if its okay to ignore edits! I'd like to hear more about your mindset! PreserveOurHistory (talk) 01:01, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- No one is in charge of an article and if you think it’d ok to call someone mentally deficient then you don’t belong here. Which is where my “job” might come in. Doug Weller talk 16:22, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- Ordinary editors do not have jobs, although Wikipedia:Administrators like myself do. Also, there is no deadline. Doug Weller talk 16:19, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am not that knowledgeable on Wikipedia, but isn't it the job of the person i was replying to, meant to be that he does edits? If we are not given the permission, and the people straight up ignore us then what the hell do i do? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 14:58, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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. Doug Weller talk 12:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)- You’ve refused to accept that you harassed and insulted an editor and that the request for a source was simple policy and not optional. Doug Weller talk 12:38, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I presume that I also must provide evidence that Hitler is the Nazi Party head, if not you wont believe it! I learnt my lesson now. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- Tikka Khan did not cause an infamous global event or a world-scale war. He isn't nearly as well known/infamous as Hitler, and information about Khan is more likely to be challenged. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
- I presume that I also must provide evidence that Hitler is the Nazi Party head, if not you wont believe it! I learnt my lesson now. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Sorry about that, the Image is solely meant to be used in one Article, Pashtunistan although it was removed. It's added back now. PreserveOurHistory (talk) 06:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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- But isnt the Image itself the subject of commentary? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
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A reminder that IPA articles come under the purview of DS
What had the other editor "vandalized" on that page that you resorted to characterizing their edit as such? Your insouciant use of the expression to undo good faith edits is nothing short of scandalous, and you could in fact be sanctioned for such presumptuousness. You had been apprised of the DS being in effect in the topic domain only recently, and also thereupon subjected to a block for causing disruption, so pray tread carefully, and develop a predisposition to assume good faith. Lastly, discuss, not revert, when changes you make are contentious and likely to engender dispute. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- ? You want me to change wording next time? Or should I stop restoring content others remove without an explanation? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 16:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- No, stop reverting, period. It is also disingenuous on your part to now say that you were "restoring content others remove without an explanation", when the page history clearly shows otherwise. Please desist from edit warring further on the page, and discuss the matter on the talk page. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- His explanation had nothing to do with removing the entire image gallery. Do either of us understand what he wrote? What does "last good version before photo bombing" even mean? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 17:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
- No, stop reverting, period. It is also disingenuous on your part to now say that you were "restoring content others remove without an explanation", when the page history clearly shows otherwise. Please desist from edit warring further on the page, and discuss the matter on the talk page. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 17:02, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban
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You are indefinitely topic-banned from all pages and discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, broadly construed. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 17:23, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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- how long this last? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 04:09, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @PreserveOurHistory It's indefinite, lasts until it's lifted. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- which administrator am i meant to contact? PreserveOurHistory (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @PreserveOurHistory It's indefinite, lasts until it's lifted. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:12, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- PreserveOurHistory, please read WP:TBAN (which was already hyperlinked for you) in conjunction with the above notice, which very lucidly sets forth the sanction placed on you, and strive to scrupulously abide by the injunctions thereof. Edits like this do yourself no good, and you risk inviting blocks of varying severity if you continue to approach it in a cavalier manner and flout your topic ban. If you have any lingering doubts about anything concerning the ban, I suggest you ask for clarification. Lord Roem is already responding to your queries. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 08:28, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @PreserveOurHistory that edit was not on only a violation of your ban, it was nonsense - "you can't drive opposite to a steering wheel". In fact, you sit opposite to a steering wheel. Doug Weller talk 08:33, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- once more, which admin am I meant to contact for reappealing and how do i do it? I've read the appeals process PreserveOurHistory (talk) 09:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @PreserveOurHistory That'd be me. If you have something to say, you can do so here, or on my Talk page, up to you. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would like to reappeal the Ban, I have 100% of my Wikipedia contributions on the topics I have been restricted from (discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan).
- Looking at this confused incident, I'd rest the cause on me not understanding what actually the problem was, I was in the mindset that there was nothing wrong. I learnt now to mention everything I desire to do on my talk page, I didn't fully understand that they had a problem with what I was doing, I thought when my edit was reverted and was told "Don't expect others to fix this" after complaining about how my edit disappeared from an older page being reverted that all I had to do afterwards was manually put my edit up again without reverting anything, then there wouldn't be a problem.
- I've learnt you stick to the talk page for everything and always ask Questions, I feel I will be able to continue to contribute to Wikipedia as I have since the start of 2022. This was a minor confused incident, I perceived it as my work being taken away without reason and reacted accordingly. I guess I can handle a temporary time ban, but with a permanent ban on the listed topics (discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan) I have no use to this website. Like any other human being I have the capacity to learn and improve from my mistakes.
- Best Regards, PreserveOurHistory (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- I would like to reappeal the Ban, I have 100% of my Wikipedia contributions on the topics I have been restricted from (discussions concerning India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan).
- @PreserveOurHistory That'd be me. If you have something to say, you can do so here, or on my Talk page, up to you. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 11:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and files for discussion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
Regarding File:Abdul Wali Khan.png Copyright Status
Can you please declare the concern regarding permission OTRS as you are claiming you have received email from image owner, otherwise any of the user can raise objections regarding its copyright status. It will be better to proof it using otrs process because anyone of the volunteer will handle your request.Wallu2 (talk)
File:Abdul Wali Khan.png listed for discussion
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A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Abdul Wali Khan.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. 25stargeneral (talk) 10:45, 3 January 2023 (UTC)