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Battle Rifle vs Assault Rifle

To head things off, the page, as of right now, states Assault Rifle as that's how the US military is referring to it. Does it fire a higher powered cartridge than most AR's? Yeah. But no citable sources refer to it as a battle rifle and the distinctions between assault rifle and battle rifle get kinda murky. Unless a good source comes up that says it's a battle rifle, leave it as is for now. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 04:27, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. The Army may even clarify the label, or even change its mind and call it a battle rifle, especially if it suddenly discovers that Congress believes it's an assault weapon, and might cancel its funding! BilCat (talk) 04:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

XM5 meets the general critera of Assault rifle as firing a round in between full size rifle round and pistol round [based mainly on caliber, though casing size/propellant amount matters too] (e.g. Intermediate cartridge). Though the .277 Fury round seems to be fairly close to a full rifle round. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:57, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BilCat: Yeah, Army does what Army wants.

@Fnlayson: I was thinking that the .277 Fury is pretty darn close to a full-powered rifle round but, after going down a rabbit hole, found that the line between full-powered rifle round and not full-powered seems kinda murky/not well defined. Plus, like BilCat said, Army does what Army want lol. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 02:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

.277 Fury is not an intermediate cartridge. Its dimension is 6.8x51.

7.62x51 is a full power cartridge.

7.62x25 is a pistol cartridge (Tokarev)

7.62x39 is an intermediate cartridge (SKS, AK-47 and so on)

On the other side, there were many cartridges whose dimension were similar to .277's 6.8x51. For examples, 7×57mm Mauser, and 6.5x50 Arisaka which was the cartridge used in Japanese world war II's Type 38 rifle. They were not intermediate cartridges at all. YGAYR (talk) 23:57, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We can't do our own analysis, as that is Original Research. Please cite a Reliable Sources. BilCat (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article move to XM7

Per Soldier Systems Daily, the name is being changed because of intellectual property issues. Yay. Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 23:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. We should wait a bit for other sources to confirm. Schierbecker (talk) 00:54, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting indeed. The XM250 light machine gun should not be affected at least. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with waiting, specifically on a report of an official Army or DOD announcement, either directly or from reliable sources. (The one cited doesn't appear to be reliable.) BilCat (talk) 04:39, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not logged in but this is Jasonkwe. Was corroborated by TheFirearmBlog today. Probably more corroborations to come since it was an announcement at SIG's pre-SHOT SHOW range day and others were probably present. Soldier Systems is a pretty reliable source and has broken multiple stories that others cited them on. But I'd also like to wait for the official Army/DoD announcement. Just wanted to give a heads up. 68.170.146.194 (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PEO Soldier is using the new name.

https://twitter.com/PEOSoldier/status/1615808876087021589

"A Soldier fires the suppressed Sig Sauer XM-7 Rifle with Vortex XM-157 Fire Control from the standing unsupported firing position during a stress shoot trial of the Next Generation Squad Weapons (NGSW) Production Soldier Touch Point (STP) #1 at Aberdeen Proving Ground, NOV 2022." Ramlaen (talk) 04:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]