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Too long

The article has grown well beyond the guidance at WP:SIZERULE. My suggestion would be to move the long Operations section to its own article, and leave an overview here. (Hohum @) 13:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given it is one sub contractor mercenary group, maybe trim it of all but the essentials? It it really so important we need two articles? Slatersteven (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like one way will be more achievable than the other. YMMV. (Hohum @) 15:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think the topic is prominent enough and sufficiently extensively covered in reliable sources to merit such in-depth coverage on wiki, so I definitely don't support trimming the details. If the article has gotten a bit unwieldy due to its size, I suggest splitting off the Operations section into multiple separate articles based on geographical regions (e.g. "Wagner Group Activities in Africa", "Wagner Group Activities in the Middle East", and "Wagner Group Activities in Ukraine"), leaving here a "Main article:" template and a summary. For countries/regions where activity has been minimal, the content can just stay here.
King regards,
-J Jay Hodec (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This seems like a good solution. (Hohum @) 23:48, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't mind this. I don't support just simply trimming this article due to the high notability of the organization. But, if sub-articles are created on their operations and leaving this article as the main one with summaries as Jay Hodec suggested then I would support that. EkoGraf (talk) 14:35, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hohum @Jay Hodec I have started the process of branching out and cutting down the main article with the creation of Wagner Group activities in Syria. I titled it "Syria" instead of "Middle East" since they have only had activities in Syria and nowhere else in that region. Will continue branching out and cutting down this main article in the coming weeks when I find the time. You can also join in if you can. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite,
There are numerous articles about Wagner operated Jets, SAM in Libya.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/us/politics/russian-jets-mercenaries-libya.html
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200924-libya-4-wagner-mercenaries-killed-in-helicopter-crash/ 5.19.139.220 (talk) 23:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

“Topaz” (aka the “killing Ukrainians makes me horny” guy)

I’m not sure if this individual (who is a member of Task Force Rusich and is influential on Telegram) deserves a mention or not. He operates a Russian military vehicle with blatant Nazi symbols on it alongside the “Z”. It definitely undercuts Putin’s claim that the war is about “denazification”. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:AD07 (talk) 03:11, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Its one guy. Slatersteven (talk) 10:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'Z' has nothing to do with "Nazism". Ok, we all know zou have to push pro-Ukrop propaganda every time you breathe out, but let's keep at least some perspective, shall we?91.148.93.151 (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-nazi claim in lead

No mater if the claim is true pr not it should not be in the lead it should follow similar prosedure as the article for sparta battalion or the azov regiment 217.140.202.214 (talk) 19:35, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Although I agree, the issue was already discussed at very great length previously (see talk page above) and after a lot of back-and-forth talk (and edit warring) a compromise solution was found that has managed to mostly hold the integrity of the article. EkoGraf (talk) 21:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it should be highlighted in all leads. The whitewashing of fascist paramilitaries is an ongoing problem. KetchupSalt (talk) 02:02, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rusich promoting abuse of POWs

According to [1], Task Force Rusich’s Telegram channel has encouraged its members to commit war crimes, such as removing the limbs of still-living POWs and then falsely claiming they were already injured when they were captured, or simply killing them while in captivity. 2604:2D80:6984:3800:0:0:0:AFF0 (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But Rusich (ДШРГ Русич) is NOT a subsidiary of Wagner group! Even though they are linked. Dmitryredkin (talk) 13:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner Group in Fiction?

Recent Ryanverse books (Tom Clancy's legacy) include a company with a similar name. Same group? Will (Talk - contribs) 00:37, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Logo of Wagner Group.

A grining menencing skull framed by the light-red crosshairs of a sniper rifle in a black background.

Padded by the group's name in the Latin and the Cyrillic script with a black background and a strong light-red outer border.

On the flag also followed by an outer black background color.

BoQsc (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We have a picture, why do we need a description? Slatersteven (talk) 13:31, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You don't seem to be aware of how Search Engines or Wikipedia works.
The reason is simple: so we can find things. I mean what's even is this question of yours?
Why even bother having a Wikipedia article when we can just drop a few images and call it a day.
Maybe Wikipedia is an encyclopedia after all, isn't it, or image storage facility? 78.63.42.224 (talk) 12:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No I am aware of how they work, So if someone searched for "Wagner Group" they will find this page with (relative) ease. I am unsure why someone being able to find this page after searching for "grining menencing skull" would be what anyone is looking for. Slatersteven (talk) 12:24, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No point in a description. EkoGraf (talk) 17:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2022

Could someone please add this to the article? Thank you!

Rusich emblem[1] featuring a combination of the Kolovrat swastika, the Black Sun, the Algiz rune, the Týr rune, the ribbon of Saint George and the black-yellow-white flag of the Russian Empire.

Vl2020 (talk) 09:01, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RealAspects (talk) 11:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use of blogs and not Reliable Sites as a Source

I'm excluding the claim made by a Newly created site, wartranslated.com about the size of Wagner Group, most sources agree on 6,000 to 8,000 men,this two sources are proven historically Reliable for WP policy. However the claim made by the url/site, previously mentioned is WP:EXTRAORDINARY, not need to consider. Mr.User200 (talk) 02:53, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. EkoGraf (talk) 21:35, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2022

I would suggest that the "Size" in the infobox be increased to 20,000 per this BBC source which quotes the UK Ministry of Defence

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64050719 2A00:23C8:2D94:AC01:7E23:AE:3D39:E575 (talk) 12:19, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Increased to 50,000+ per other sources. Lemonaka (talk) 13:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Typo

While the Wagner Group itsel does not position itself as (January 11 2023) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.37.234.67 (talk) 14:47, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an actual source for the note in source 57?

"The likely founder of the group has the logo of the Nazi Schutzstaffel tattooed on his neck."

I've searched for proof of this claim, but couldn't find anything substantial. The claim is often repeated in sourceless news publications, however. It is also absent on Yevgeny Prigozhin's wikipedia page.

Surely there's a better source available than a news magazine like Foreign Policy?

Additionally, I think the use of them as a source might have something to do with their very serious sounding name. News websites such as Fox News or Washington Post (whose parent owns Foreign Policy) are discouraged as sources. 205.185.107.25 (talk) 16:37, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Someone provided:
Meliha Kešmer (2022-03-21). "Iz redova ekstremne desnice među ruske plaćenike u Ukrajini". Radio Slobodna Evropa (in Bosnian).
As a source. But this still lacks any form of evidence. It's just another news article but in Bosnian. The standard of evidence has to be higher than "people are saying" something. 205.185.107.25 (talk) 16:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no source for any of that. 91.148.93.151 (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Meliha Kešmer (2022-03-21). "Iz redova ekstremne desnice među ruske plaćenike u Ukrajini". Radio Slobodna Evropa (in Bosnian).
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