Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Levi Sanders

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The result was delete. No prejudice against recreation should he clear WP:POLITICIAN in the future ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:35, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Levi Sanders

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Son of a well-known politician, who has yet to hold public office, which does not qualify him under WP:POLITICIAN. Levi got 5 seconds of press attention in 2015, during his father's campaign for the Presidency, when, according to the New Yorker the press discovered: "that Levi was not the product of his first marriage, as many people had assumed, but, instead, the child of a brief relationship between Sanders and Susan Campbell Mott, other than that, the coverage I can find is routine mentions in articles about his Dad. I cannot find that he has done anything notable. This is his first campaign for public office and, according to the Washington Post, Levi "surprised Democrats by entering the race," for the seat now held by Carol Shea-Porter, who is retiring. Eight Democrats have entered the contest for her seat( United States House of Representatives elections in New Hampshire, 2018). Page has previously been redirected to Bernie Sanders, where Levi has a sentence.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Article creator here. A lot of news coverage has been generated regarding his potential congress run. You clearly haven't done enough resarch, Sanders was a Senior Policy Advisor to his father and extensively campaigned for Phil Murphy (current governor of New Jersey), who was notably not endorsed by his father. Last year, Sanders was also one of the main speakers at the People's Summit- clips of this have been uploaded on YouTube. I understand that simply being the only son of Bernie Sanders, does not make him worthy of inclusion as he would be simply 'famous' rather than 'remarkable'. A combination of his own political activism and his father, possibly the most important American progessive of all time make Levi notable.--Failosopher (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please WP:AGF. In light of my detailed nomination statement, the assertion that I "haven't done enough resarch," is discourteous. Note also that, in 2015 I created Larry Sanders (politician) (it had been created and deleted in 2010,) and in 2016 I created Jane O'Meara Sanders. I am always willing to change my iVote, if someone brings articles in WP:RS media independent of Levi in some depth or that some significant accomplishment that has drawn attention in the press.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 20:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Hampshire-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 20:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Notability is not inherited. Failosopher: if you want to claim that he is notable in his own right, you will need to cite some independent sources as evidence. The article currently cites three sources: one is a "profile", and the other two are based on interviews with Sanders. None is independent. Maproom (talk) 22:11, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it stands now; right now, the article is basically just a WP:INHERITED blurb. Not prejudiced to its recreation. SportingFlyer (talk) 22:31, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per arguments above re 'inherited' notability: as other editors have noted, does not affect possible future re-creation if he becomes independently notable. Eagleash (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While the creator is correct that his announcement generated news coverage, what he's missing is that as of right now that coverage just makes Levi a WP:BLP1E. People do not automatically qualify for articles just because they've gotten their name into the news cycle for a day — they qualify for articles when that coverage is happening in the context of something that passes a notability criterion, which being an as yet non-winning election candidate does not. If he wins the seat in November, he'll definitely get an article, and it's possible (although far from certain) that the dad factor will help him generate enough substantive and ongoing coverage during the campaign to clear WP:GNG as being more notable than most other candidates. But he does not automatically qualify for a Wikipedia article just because he got a one-day blip of coverage for announcing his candidacy yesterday, and who his father is doesn't automatically make him more special than any other candidate who isn't getting an article for that yet. Bearcat (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge.

On search engines, there are many sources (possibly reliable) and news articles that discuss about Levi Sanders. This can clear WP:N and WP:V, possibly, since there is quite a lack of references on this Wikipedia article.

It might be appropriate to have the article as a biography or find a way of merging it with the Bernie Sanders page.

Definitely shouldn't be deleted, but kept or merged.

These are my opinions on it.

Thanks CrayonS (talk) 10:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the Time Magazine article User:CrayonS just added to the page: 5 Things to Know About Levi Sanders, Bernie Sanders' Son Who Is Running for Congress is strong proof of Levi Sanders complete lack of notability. The 5 facts-to-know about Levi are 1.) he shares Dad's politics; 2. he doesn't even live in the distirct he's contesting, 3. he's never held office (he had a low-level career as a "Social Security benefits specialist", until Dad's campaign took off and Levi went to work for Dad, 4.) "The race will be tough", and 5.) Bernie's step-daughter is running for Mayor of Burlington (Dad's old job). It proves that there is nothing notable about Levi except that he is the son of a notable man.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:03, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A person does not automatically qualify for an article on "because media coverage exists" grounds just because they blipped into the news cycle for a day in a context that doesn't otherwise pass a Wikipedia inclusion criterion. A blip of campaign-related coverage is not enough to get a not yet elected candidate for office into Wikipedia just for being a candidate — it just makes him a WP:BLP1E, not a topic who's earned permanent inclusion in an encyclopedia yet. Bearcat (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in New Hampshire, 2018, per WP:POLOUTCOMES. The election campaign is notable, even if the subject may not be. --Enos733 (talk) 16:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Delete it then. Wikipedia only likes famous people.

If we were going to make him a WP:BLP1E, I agree we do need more coverage about him.

In Bernie Sanders's personal life section, it does say that Levi Sanders is his son.

Thanks CrayonS (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete without prejudice. An article is premature as he is only a candidate for his party's nomination for office. If he wins the nomination then there would be a better argument for an article, particularly if profiles of him are published in major media as a result. Nixon Now (talk) 19:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in New Hampshire, 2018. MB298 (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - notability is not inherited and besides, the subject is not very well referenced, and it fails GNG and WP:NPERSON. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:53, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Drafitify Move to draft and wait to see that he does not become more notable. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 16:51, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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