Talk:Cedar Point

Zistel

In the event that anyone else has the opportunity to actually edit this Article, and without being forced into a lengthy discussion, or a purposeful edit-war causing a lock-down of the Article: note that despite assertions in a recent edit to the Cedar Fair article, however, there was no known business operating at this location in 1872-1877, and even Zistel's 1870 attempt could hardly be classified as successful, because there is no actual evidence that his transport service operated for more than a few weeks during that year, while he was simultaneously transporting patrons separately to other Lake Erie destinations. And by 1873 he had sold his steamboat 'Young Reindeer' to a Toledo company, and afterward there were no known transports to Cedar Point, nor was Zistel involved with his prior business, because he was instead busy operating his own new resort, Atlantic Gardens, within Sandusky City. And several sources state that there still was no dedicated transport in 1878 when James West built a bathouse on the CP peninsula, and the only actual contemporaneous mention of West's operation, indicates that West was reducing the rates of his bathingsuit rentals, which would seem to indicate a lull in patronage. But any modern sources which indicate that there were "resort seasons" here between 1872-1877, are simply mistaken or else intentionally misleading. 2607:FB91:100B:2D6C:84D3:617C:5031:C149 (talk) 02:06, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Go ahead and make changes. Editors are encouraged to be bold and fix articles themselves. The article doesn't say anything specific about Zistel's success, nor does it say there were resort seasons between 1872-1877, so it's unclear what you're arguing against. --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think they were arguing about anything. Maybe it was just meant as helpful information for any of us interested in working to improve this article so the general public has access to information that isn't being told on other websites? Isn't that the whole purpose of Wikipedia to be the place to find information which other websites don't have? Not just being a website where editors copy information which is already available on a lot of other websites anyway? What would be the point of only doing that? People could just go to the other websites for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:902:0:0:0:17 (talk) 19:51, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

the whole purpose of Wikipedia to be the place to find information which other websites don't have - To comment on this quickly. The "point" of Wikipedia, as you say, is to reflect the important details as reported in reliable sources, not to host information that isn't available on other websites. If the source is in print, fine, but Wikipedia should not be reflecting anything that isn't in any reliable sources. However, may I also note that Wikipedia is also licensed under the Creative Commons, while other sites may be copyrighted so, in fact, reflecting information from sources is not the only "point" of Wikipedia. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Improvement is welcome. Just be prepared to cite reliable sources for any new claims you add to the article. --GoneIn60 (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

The above statement is interesting, it is nothing more than speculation. The nameless IP debater has offered no proof or links to back up these theories. While we do know that Zistel sold his steamship in 1873, that alone does not mean that people stopped coming to the resort. We know there was a dock, we know there were facilities. We know that the beach was a popular picnic area. Maybe he sold his steamboat because people didn't need transportation and that particular enterprise proved nonlucrative. There are other sources that indicate people used sailboats and private boats to get to the beach. We know that Zistel had other enterprises but does this prove that he abandoned the facilities that he built at Cedar Point? Who's to say he didn't hire a manager to oversee the operation at the point? Maybe he sold it. Do we know for certain that the bathhouse or beer garden did not open? If people were visiting the beach, using the facilities and having a good time, how is that not a season? The fact is we do not know what was happening between 1870 and 1877 because there is not enough documentation. The park celebrated the 150th anniversary of the first known commercial enterprise, which most historians agree was in 1870. It may be a stretch to claim 150 continuous seasons, but until someone can offer more proof, I wouldn't call it mistaken or intentionally misleading.—JlACEer (talk) 00:26, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Well said! --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:43, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

SFMM 20 Roller Coasters Instead Of 19

I know this is a really small detail but with the opening of Wonder Woman: Flight Of Courage on the 16th of July, Six Flags Magic Mountain now has 20 operating roller coasters instead of 19 2605:B100:E006:65F6:9D3E:E796:807B:20ED (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Updated, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Top thrill removed

Top thrill needs removed as it has been retired by CP 98.28.176.97 (talk) 16:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Top Thrill Dragster's status is SBNO (Standing, but not operating). The 420-foot tall hill is still very much at the park, but everything else is about removed, demolished and gone. It's not 100% removed/retired as of May 2023. 72.240.14.59 (talk) 01:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Top Thrill is being modified in some way but will reopen in 2024 according to the park. We have it marked as "Closed" until it reopens. We no longer recognize SBNO as a status, since it has been deemed a jargon enthusiast term. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Sailboats 'docking' offshore???

"Docked" needs to be replaced with "anchored". If you're at a dock, you're docked. If you're floating offshore, you're anchored. Master picker of nits here, and old time sailboat sailor.

See: "In 1878 James West opened a group of bathhouses near the beach. Although there was no steamboat service, sailboats often docked just offshore." 2600:1700:BF10:69D0:C909:64AA:CAB5:62E (talk) 17:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I changed it to docking and anchoring. It is likely the dock that was in use a few years prior was still there. However, it probably couldn't accommodate everyone visiting.—JlACEer (talk) 01:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Coaster total.

The new Wild Mouse coaster will open on 2023 Opening Day. Is it too soon to change CP's coaster total from 15 to 16? I'll wait to see if I hear back from any other editors. I don't wanna cause a fuss by prematurely changing it. Thanks. SummeRStorM79 (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. Please wait until the coaster actually opens. Let's not forget what happened with Maverick.—JlACEer (talk) 17:50, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Well, I kind of knew twas gonna happen. Someone couldn't wait & went ahead & changed the coaster total. Does it need to be re-edited back? I'm not gonna mess with it, but did wanna get your feedback? SummeRStorM79 (talk) 14:46, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Peninsula?

Ok acording to sources of the Cedar Point Peninsula Island Club at archive.org this is not a peninsula since 60 years. Are those sources at archive.org satisfactory sources to use for editing this article?