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"... a Mathura inscription of Vasudeva I, composed by a Kayastha Śramaṇa."

Under the heading "History". A Śramaṇa is a Buddhist monk according to the Pali manuscripts. Buddha was a Śramaṇa, so were his brethren. 62.131.49.208 (talk) 11:04, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kayastha surname Das is not due to marrying with Sudras

The eminent historian DR Bhandarkar was the first to point out that surnames used by Nagar Brahmins between 6th and 8th centuries A.D. It has been suggested that Nagar Brahmins along with present date Bengali Kayasthas are the purest form of this type. In ancient copper decoration plates the following Sharmans of Nagar Brahmins are mentioned - Bhav, Bhuti, Das, Dutt, Gupt, Ghosh, Dev, Nand, Mitra, Verma and Vrat 103.199.180.212 (talk) 01:46, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kalitas of Assam are also Kayasthas

Kalitas of Assam are from Baro-Bhuyan family and by caste Hindu Kshatirya/Kayastha. Sudarshan Dutta (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sudarshan Dutta - what reliable, Independent sources can you cite to support that claim? - Arjayay (talk) 16:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

VyasSmriti

According to Vyassmriti Kayasthas are shudra, add that also. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:39, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://twitter.com/RamaInExile/status/1606333280697073667 he is a very knowledgeable person. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide modern (post Raj era) reliable and verifiable source(s) supporting your claim! Ekdalian (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, not to you. Bye, will be back in few days. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why you are asking me for post 1947 sources? this article itself has pre 1947 sources NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 14:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abecedare here are the sources

1. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41152132?searchText=Cultural%20and%20Social%20Radicalism%20in%20Medieval%20Orissa%20BASANTA%20KUMAR%20MALLIK&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3DCultural%2Band%2BSocial%2BRadicalism%2Bin%2BMedieval%2BOrissa%2BBASANTA%2BKUMAR%2BMALLIK&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Afaa735d8983bc9bb3c8fb37e8ccd522a page no 54

2. https://archive.org/details/dli.bengal.10689.13287/page/n483/mode/2up page no 434 NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 13:46, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE, please share relevant quotes from these two sources! Don't worry, everyone including Abecedare is watching this talk page! Ekdalian (talk) 14:17, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. "The earliest reference to the Kayasthas is found in the Smriti of Yajnavalkya and the Veda Vyas Smriti includes them among sudras."

2. "The Vedavydsa Smriti includes the Kayastha among sudras along with barbers, potters and others."

dont cherrypick scriptures give all informations. NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 16:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We generally avoid direct quotation from primary sources like smritis! Is any interpretation available in your sources? Our article anyway mentions shudra in different contexts like court rulings, etc. What new information do these sources bring to the table? Anyway, read WP:PRIMARY; we avoid quoting primary sources or equivalent without any scholarly interpretation unless we can derive some really important information! There's nothing new about their shudra classification! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Vyas smriti kayasthas belonged to the same posion of Barber and potters, how this is not important when we are discussing a Hindu caste? NIRANJAN CHATTERJEE (talk) 17:51, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Majority Source mention modern status of Bengali Kayastha as twice born

Hey TrangaBellam, LukeEmily and Ekdalian Hopefully a majority of modern sources call Bengali Kayastha as Twice born as mentioned here[1]. Actually, it's true that their varna status is disputed but I am not sure about the edit.Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 08:44, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Satnam2408, this rare form of presenting information in caste articles is nothing new; let me give you an example. Almost 10 years back, I had proposed a similar edit in the article talk page of another caste article, and the same was accepted by Sitush! If you check the article on Kulin Kayastha (represents the consensus version), you will find the following statements: "Likewise, the original varna status of the five attendants, accompanying the Brahmins, according to the legend, is also a subject matter of debate. Majority of sources mention them as Shudra servants, many others refer to them as Kayastha attendants, and very few as Aryan Kshatriya consorts." The objective is to provide all views as per NPOV along with DUE weight. Hope you understand! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 17:51, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ekadalian, I have read many sources related to caste in Bengal. So, I can say that the sentence the original varna status of the five attendants, accompanying the Brahmins, according to the legend, is also a subject matter of debate. Majority of sources mention them as Shudra servants, many others refer to them as Kayastha attendants, and very few as Aryan Kshatriya consorts.",approved by Sitush is correct. Kayasthas were regarded as servants of Brahmins for a long time and hence brandes as shudra (according to the long lasting tradition of Bengal). In Bengal's caste system, all castes except Brahmins were classified as Shudras. So, this edit is no exception. Even in many books published nowadays, Bengali Kayasthas are called Shudras. Now, in the sentence "Majority of the modern scholarly work consider the present varna status of Bengali Kayasthas as 'twice-born'", how many sources do these mean? All sources have we been able to read? When you are referring to Sitush, I think they can shed some light on this. Thanks, Satnam2408 (talk) 18:34, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]