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Fad diet

“Fad” diet is not appropriate. The carnivore diet has been our ancestor's species-appropriate diet for 2-4 million years. Hardly a fad.

The only study available on the Carnivore Diet should be referenced to counter the bias of the Wikipedia author: Lennerz BS, Mey JT, Henn OH, Ludwig DS. Behavioral Characteristics and Self-Reported Health Status among 2029 Adults Consuming a "Carnivore Diet". Curr Dev Nutr. 2021 Nov 2;5(12):nzab133. doi: 10.1093/cdn/nzab133. PMID: 34934897; PMCID: PMC8684475. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slevdi (talk • contribs) 21:38, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A fad diet is just another name for a diet that makes pseudoscientific claims. The claims of the the carnivore diet are all pseudoscientific. Nobody in the medical community takes it seriously. We have very good references describing it as a fad diet. A good link is Dietitians Australia which gives some background on what fad diets are [1], as you can see they list the carnivore diet as a fad diet. Fad diets ban certain foods which they promote as causing ill health, promise quick weight loss and other undemonstrated health claims without any scientific evidence, ignore dietary recommendations and blame dietary guidelines for health and weight problems and recommend using a single food group as the key to the diet’s success. Fad diets use testimonials rather than evidence-based medicine for their alleged successes. The carnivore diet ticks the box for all criteria of fad diets. Its claims are little different to what Atkins diet and low-carb kooks have been promoting for years. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:49, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a physician who just recently attended several nutrition and metabolic disease conferences, I'm surprised by the claim that "no one in the medical community takes it seriously". Low-carb diets are the cutting edge in metabolic disease treatment and prevention, including zero-carb versions of the ketogenic diet such as carnivore. There is evidence of benefits for type 2 diabetes, coronary artery disease, metabolic syndrome, hypertension, obesity, and sarcopenia. Weaker evidence is increasingly reported for certain autoimmune conditions, and case reports are emerging in oncology. Calmakasha (talk) 09:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that ALL of the carnivore diet are pseudoscience is demonstrably false. Moderators in charge of this page need to remove this nonsense that eating only meat is a fad. There are numerous peer reviewed studies which demonstrate the validity of this way of eating for numerous diseases, mostly type 2 diabetes. It’s also nutritiously complete. As evidenced by the numerous people who have lived decades eating a carnivore diet. 122.150.77.143 (talk) 09:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the profile of the Psychologist guy, we can clearly see that he has a strong bias against carnivore. This isn’t science, this is someone following a belief system. 122.150.77.143 (talk) 09:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What you are claiming is false, not supported by any evidence. Health authorities around the world do not recommend or support the carnivore diet. You claim evidence but do not link to it because all you have are anecdotes. "There are numerous peer reviewed studies which demonstrate the validity of this way of eating for numerous diseases, mostly type 2 diabetes", do you have a link to any of these peer-reviewed studies? None exist. The only study that carnivore diet advocates have repeatedly put on this talk-page is a food questionnaire study with conflict of interest by Shawn Baker. It is not a reliable source. Psychologist Guy (talk) 10:35, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

The labeling of the carnivore diet as a fad diet and its dismissal as being backed by pseudoscience are disappointing and seem to carry a hint of political bias. It would be more accurate to state that this diet is currently under investigation and any benefits reported are purely anecdotal. 84.248.163.69 (talk) 16:44, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:GOODBIAS. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Misinformed and biased

Horribly misinformed article. It does not cite the most important study conducted on specifically the carnivore diet, the Harvard study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34934897/ Even if the consensus is biased still against the carnivore diets the article should be allowed to post some of the common arguments in its favor. There is no evidence that a carnivore diet causes any type of cancer and chronic disease, those are just assumptions and not corroborated by any study, (the studies that are cited against meat are merely observational and doesn't take into account the fact that most of those people are on standard american diets full of processed food) when it comes to chronic disease it is showing to reverse them. It doesn't show the 20th century experiments by Steffanson the Arctic explorer with meat only diets. Keto diets have consistently been shown to reduce depression, anxiety and different mental and behavioral conditionings, most of these benefits are seen in carnivore. But more studies have to be performed. While Vegans and Vegeterians have a much higher rate of depression according to countless studies. In short, a terrible article and bad for the credibility of Wikipedia. You should AT LEAST show that side of the equation. Talking of conflict of interest, you describe yourself as a "historian of Vegetarianism" and made it your goal in lfe. 212.186.129.82 (talk) 12:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You keep changing your IP address there is no need for that. Please check the archives, the study you mention has been mentioned about 10 times already it is not reliable. We have had countless sock-puppets on this talk-page mentioning the same study that have been blocked. It is a study based on self-reported data from a carnivore diet Facebook group, it fails WP:MEDRS. Nobody in the medical world takes it seriously, it is not good evidence for anything. Please read MEDRS, if you want to add biomedical content in regard to diet claims, you must add a reliable secondary source, i.e. a good systematic review or meta-analysis, content from an academic nutritional textbook or from medical guidelines etc. Citing self-reported data is not acceptable. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]