Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hawaii

Discussion on disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles

There is currently a discussion that may interest you. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles proposes that the ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:29, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Improve Kauai article

Hello! I've decided to take on the task of improving the article on the island of Kauai. It's of interest to me as I've been there before and figured the article could use some improvement. I'm asking here to get some help and also some opinions as to what needs to be done to improve the article (I know some sources need to be found for sure). Any assistance with this is welcome. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

To start with, there are some sections where are citations are needed. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Inactive

Per what is described in WP:INACTIVEWP, this project appears to be inactive. If no one objects to this then I will go ahead and mark this project as being inactive. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Since it has been a few hours and I"ve received no response I'll mark it as inactive. Since the project is inactive I don't see a reason to wait the typical 7 days for a discussion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I object. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: Would you mind elaborating as to why? Per the Wikiproject Council guide's section on dealing with inactive WikiProjects (WP:INACTIVEWP) it states "Projects are generally considered inactive if the talk page has received nothing other than routine/automated announcements or unanswered queries for a year or more." which this appears to have. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

By definition, the Talk page is now active. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: No... neither of us members of this WikiProject. The only activity has been my question above (which it going unanswered led me to see if it was inactive) and this question is simply seeing if it is inactive. Simply objecting and stating that because you objected, the talk page is active doesn't mean it's active. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:27, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I didn't realize becoming a member was so exclusive. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:29, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I would just note that you waited less than eight hours for responses, starting at 3:00 am Hawaii Standard Time. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:50, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the reason was because this project seemed inactive so I didn't expect a response. Also, I don't go off of Hawaii–Aleutian Time (Hawaii is always Standard time cause they don't observe DST), I go off of UTC and also my own timezone which is Central Time zone. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

You waited only eight hours? Are you serious? It does not matter what timezone that your are in, if you do not give sufficient time for a response, you are operating under only your conclusion. Peaceray (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It did seem a bit inopportune for a discussion related to this project to be opened and closed when many of the editors who may have been interested in the subject were either sleeping, stuck in traffic, or just beginning work/school. Regardless of the time zone, more time than just "a few hours" should be allowed for interested people to respond – even if the project really is inactive, there's no rush to mark it as such. Aoi (青い) (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree this seems a bit rushed. Maybe give it a week? CT55555(talk) 04:32, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

WikiProjects in general are in need of modernization. This is one of the WikiProjects where I have actually noticed that there are editors interested in Hawaii who have actively contributed to articles I have worked on over the past year, like Danny Kaleikini and Kahala Hotel & Resort. Not to mention the fact that there is very strong content being created under the WikiProject Hawaii banner on an ongoing basis. It all happened without going through this project Talk page, so maybe people are monitoring content through Wikipedia:WikiProject Hawaii/Article alerts or via other routes, but to me it's a sign that there is in fact a community that actively supports the WikiProject. Mahalo nui loa for your kokua everyone. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Based on this discussion, and the various recent non-automated posts above, I also object to marking this project as inactive. If I need to formally click some buttons to make myself a member for this objection to be meaningful, then I'll do it, but that seems unnecessarily bureaucratic. CT55555(talk) 05:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

As an active member of this Wikiproject who tags and assesses new articles based on the new articles feed and works through the cleanup listing, I object to the idea that this Wikiproject is not active. There may not be much talk page on the discussion but as you can see from the objections there are people monitoring this page. I also think that waiting less than the typical 7 days for a response is unreasonable, especially given that all Wikipedia editors are volunteers and may not be able to respond immediately. Mcampany (talk) 13:47, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I see now that it was quite stupid of me to quickly decide that the project was inactive before even waiting a full day. I do think maybe the definition should mention that if a project does seemingly become active again, that project should remain active for a period of time or else it should be marked as semi-active (not inactive since the project isn't completely dead) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf I think your definition question is one that probably belongs in a different, more central venue so that more editors can see it and discuss. If you decide to do that I would like to point out a phrase in WP:INACTIVEWP that you should consider: "While inactive projects do no harm to the encyclopedia, it may be beneficial to tag them as inactive, in order to divert interested editors to more active projects on similar topics" (emphasis mine). I don't think there is a good reason to divert attention from a geographical Wikiproject. Marking a project as inactive makes sense when the project's goal has been completed, like a temporary cleanup project or a former maintenance task that has since been automated. In those cases an editor should be discouraged from spending time on that project. However, a geographical Wikiproject does not have an end and will constantly expand as historical research is conducted and contemporary people do notable things. Discouraging editors from working in those topic areas would slow growth and improvement, so I'm not sure how marking a geographical Wikiproject as inactive would benefit Wikipedia as a whole. Thanks, Mcampany (talk) 22:35, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I object. I believe this project continues to be active and valuable. DaKine (talk) 06:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

AfD for Hannah Kihalani Springer

Here is an AfD discussion which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Kihalani Springer

Cielquiparle (talk) 20:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Article was kept. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed Merge discussion for Shave ice

Here is a proposed Merge discussion which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The proposal is to merge Shave ice into the main article for Shaved ice. One of the suggestions so far is to simply rename Shave ice to Hawaiian shave ice.

Talk:Shaved ice#Proposed merge of Shave ice into Shaved ice

Cielquiparle (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity. Peaceray (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Content assessment

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment#Proposal: Reclassification of Current & Future-Classes as time parameter, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. This WikiProject received this message because it currently uses "Current" and/or "Future" class(es). There is a proposal to split these two article "classes" into a new parameter "time", in order to standardise article-rating across Wikipedia (per RfC), while also allowing simultaneous usage of quality criteria and time for interest projects. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:56, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion about the use of Hawaiian diacritical marks at Talk:2023 Hawaii wildfires#Use of Hawaiian symbols in names

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2023 Hawaii wildfires § Use of Hawaiian symbols in names. Aoi (青い) (talk) 22:34, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this, @Aoi! This is a discussion I'm also quite invested in, and I have a lot of thoughts just like you. Orthography and the linguistic landscape of Hawaiʻi is one of the focuses of my research. I've left some comments there previously, and I look forward to future discussion there and/or here. –Fpmfpm (talk) 04:28, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to ask what the general WikiProject consensus was on adding kahakō and ʻokina to other pages relating to Hawaiʻi? I was the one who added it initially on the page Aoi referenced (though I honestly didn't check what Wikipedia's stance was on it), and was wondering if it was sort of a by-consensus ordeal or if there was a general rule. I know with some other topics that I've tried working on, such as Classical Composers, certain things are on a page by page basis, so I'm interested in what the general rule is.

I also have no idea if this is the correct place to discuss, so apologies if it's the wrong place! Pacamah (talk) 09:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Campaign to upload Lāhainā photographs

Aloha! There has been tremendous attention to the 2023 Hawaii wildfires article. The prediction from ORES is that it could already be at Featured article quality, if not for its lack of stability. This is with the article being less than a week old. A lot of people truly care about what has happened to Lāhainā.

It has occurred to me that we have another opportunity here, which is to ask for pre-wildfire image that are culturally or architecturally significant so that we can codify the memory of Lāhainā as it was. Such an effort was done after the National Museum of Brazil fire with this campaign on Commons. I am in conversation with an Commons administrator & one of the Upload Wizard campaign editors on how to do this.

Meanwhile, there is a category for anyone uploading pictures for the first time that we have set up, c:Category:Images of Lahaina, Hawaii (review needed). Categorization is really helpful, but at the same time it is difficult for new uploaders to navigate.

The Commons administrator also suggested this: When you do your request, probably remind people that if they have existing images online & don't want to do their own uploading to Commons, they can just license them appropriately (recommend CC-BY-SA, ideally 4.0) and let your WikiProject know where they are so someone can upload them, citing the original post as a source. Especially useful if they are on Flickr, where we have the Flickr2Commons tool available. One can find information about that licensing at c:Commons:Licensing#Well-known licenses.

I thought I would start by posting here, then notifying WikiProject Hawaii editors. Although I lived for nearly fourteen years on Oahu, & visited Maui a few times, I have no photos from my brief visits to Lāhainā, let alone anything culturally or architecturally significant. I am hoping that some of you do. Peaceray (talk) 04:54, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, as that Commons admin Peaceray just alluded to: anyone who may already have any post-fire images, those are also extremely welcome. - Jmabel | Talk 19:53, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I live on Maui and was raised here. I don't often go to the west side, but if we're in dire need, I can always request donated photos via a facebook post. GeekInParadise (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)