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Ethnologue figures
Hello can you give me figures for the following groups I would appreciate it.
Bilen ethnic group and language new edition.
Number of Nobiin speakers in Sudan.
Number of Nara speakers in Eritrea new edition.
Number of Kenzi language speakers in Egypt new edition.
Thank you so much but can you give me the reference number for Bilen language and Nara ethnic group and just to verify what is the total number of Beja speakers for all 3 countries I just want to make sure the number is right. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 12:25, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I copied EVERYTHING there was about population. There's nothing else. I assume that these numbers are for the speakers of the aforementioned languages but it could well be for the ethnic population, Ethnologue is often unclear on this point. I know northing about these languages so I cannot help further unfortunately. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 12:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give me recent number of speakers of Air Tamajeq, Tawellemmet, Tamahaq, Tamashek, Western Bedawi Egyptian Arabic and Eastern Egyptian Bedawi Arabic thank you so much. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Help for finding the population range of speakers for different languages
Hello so I recently joined ethnologue and I started the free subscription starter pack which includes population ranges but I don't know where to find it on the ethnologue website. Where do you find the population estimate of different languages by speakers on the Ethnologue website?. I would appreciate it if you helped me with that thanks. Cookiemonster1618 (talk) 16:01, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Cookiemonster1618, You have the free plan that doesn't include these figures. You need to join the contributor program to access them. It may take a few days for Ethnologue to approve your application and I think that you first need to contribute a bit to get approved (I forgot the process, feel free to email them or to contact them using the online chat plugin). a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 16:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I appreciate the recent edits you made to several settlements in Turkey. One question I have is that if you could find a source that confirms there was an Armenian community specifically in the town of Beşiri. The source you added doesn't make it clear that the settlements that Armenians inhabited within the administrative division of the same name also included the aforementioned town. And it would be pretty helpful if you could check the previous edits you made to articles such as Sason, which were similarly homonymous with regions and administrative divisions and so may need additional sources to justify the specific categorization of the town as previously having housed an Armenian community if the source doesn't explicitly mention that. Aintabli (talk) 17:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merhaba,
I don't know unfortunately. We had a similar discussion here and there. That's why I try to specify that the figures were for the kaza. When the source mentions the town population specifically, I try to add it as well. The borders and names and we don't have pages for kaza so I think that the information is best located in the city article. And in the few articles where there was already population data (mostly localities in Mardin, Şanlıurfa, and Diyarbakır) this was the practice. What do you think? a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 17:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We can include that information in the town's article for the moment. But if we want to be precise, it could better fit Beşiri District. It can also easily be moved to relevant articles for the Ottoman administrative divisions, when they get created. In fact, there are some articles for the sanjaks of the Ottoman Empire, which are made up of kazas, but there are only a handful of such pages; not all sanjaks have an article. I am planning to work on that in the future. My main concern was in terms of the category, because we normally categorize settlements and not districts (in this case that page is also not for the district), so I am thinking of removing the category "Former Armenian communities in Turkey". Would that be okay? It's a pity that the source only mentions the villages by quantity and does not give a list of place names, but I am confident that we will be able to find a source that refers to at least some of those villages by name so that we can add them to the aforementioned category. Aintabli (talk) 19:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure it would better fit in Beşiri District: the borders changed so much. I don't know in the case of Beşiri specifically but when I check localities mentioned in one "kaza" they're often in two or even three different modern districts. Sometimes in different provinces (I have in mind Batman vs Diyarbakır but I may be mistaken, I did so many of them...). Yes, pages for sanjaks and kaza would be good. But even if we had pages about kaza I think the information should be still mentioned in the city page. Indeed, the administrative borders are an abstract construction, moving over time. The city is a more constant reality. If I say "There were X Armenians in the district/kaza/province/whatever Y": it's based on the borders delimited by the stroke of a pen of some bureaucrat of that time. If I say "There were X Armenians in the city of Y and the surrounding villages" everyone understand what it means, and it's independent from the political power of that time. Another issue is that, at least for Christian denominations, many sources mention the number of believers by diocese (or equivalent) and they may not (and often do not) match with the political entities of the time.
Regarding the category: I trust you. Some villages in the Beşiri District have pages in Armenian, for instance:
They cite population figures from "«Հայաստանի և հարակից շրջանների տեղանունների բառարան», հտ 1, էջ 543". I speak 0 Armenian but I found this page (543) here. There's indeed our "Bazbut'" on the right. But then we'd need an Armenian speaker to confirm that it is written what the Armenian Wikipedia says (we can see "20" for the century probably and "20" for the number of houses I guess but who knows...). Or we blindly trust the Armenian Wikipedia and translate + add the same source. I wouldn't do that at scale but we can do it for one.
Anyway, as I said in the other discussion, the most important is to have the data somewhere here.
Hello Antoine. I noticed the source you cited on Van Province and wanted to inform you that Justin McCarthy (American historian) is a notorious genocide denier and history falsifier, which is why he isn't considered a reliable source. The Patriarch census he is citing was forged to appear that the Armenian population was much smaller than it actually was, and is now only cited by other genocide deniers. Another manipulative tactic often used is combining the Turkish, Kurdish, Islamic Armenians, and smaller Islamic minorities into just "Muslim" to make the Armenians appear as a minority when they were the majority in Van. This is an automatic red flag for any source that does this. Notice how Syriac Christians and Nestorians are not combined with Armenians into a Christian population, while the 313,000 Muslims include Armenians who were not being counted as part of the Armenian population. - Kevo327 (talk) 21:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
Ah damned, sorry... Thanks for your message.
I copied this paragraph from Van vilayet. Feel free to revert both.
I didn't like the fact that the page Van Province only gave figures about the Van sancak, which I think is more aligned with the Van District (today split into İpekyolu and Tuşba districts). As in the above discussion, that's the issue with the border changes. Today's Van province seems closer to the Van vilayet and if we want to give population figures there then it should be the vilayet figures, not the sancak. And from a reliable source of course... a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 21:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When do you plan to visit Turkey? You should know that Akdoğan Lake is generally beautiful in spring and summer seasons. When you go, don't forget to take pictures and upload them to Commons. If you have a question, you can ask. Vartolu3566 (talk) 19:39, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Let me give you some information. You can drink the water of the lake. You can camp around the lake. Unlike bears in the Black Sea region, bears in the Akdoğan lake region are not aggressive. But still try not to be intrated when you see the bears. Bears feed in the middle of two lakes between 5 and 8 in the morning. Vartolu3566 (talk) 21:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do not enter more than 4 meters of lakes by the beach. The small lake consists of a pit and attracts people like a magnet. After 8 am, the bears retreat to their nests and are rare in the forest. You can walk in the forests by the lake with peace of mind. It is not dangerous Vartolu3566 (talk) 21:11, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your contributions to Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality. Unfortunately, it is not ready for publishing because it has no sources.
Your article is now a draft where you can improve it undisturbed for a while.
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Cutoc (talk) 08:40, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's obviously unfinished, that's why. There's no introduction. There are no categories. There's only one reference. And don't say "What the fuck?" to me. Simon Peter Hughes (talk) 11:13, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am confused by the claim you made about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. I have read the book cited and find no reference to bisexuality. Would you mind clearing this up? ― TaltosKieronTalk19:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
Here's the quote:
“Women, for Mustafa, were a means of satisfying masculine appetites, little more; nor, in his zest for experience, would he be inhibited from passing adventures with young boys, if the opportunity offered and the mood, in this bisexual fin-de-siècle Ottoman age, came upon him.” (Patrick Balfour, Lord Kinross [homosexual himself])
It's apparently mentioned by a third biographer, Irgan Orga, who worked under Atatürk but I cannot find the exact page. I ordered the book from the British Library and I'll add this if I can confirm the quote and pages: [Orga, Irfan; Orga, Margarete (1962). Atatürk. M. Joseph. He had never really loved a woman. He was used to the camaraderie of the mess, the craze for handsome young men] a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 08:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Huh. There may be multiple versions of the book? I can find similar phrases about using women but never a reference to "young boys" or a "bisexual fin-de-siècle Ottoman age." What edition is yours. Mine is an ebooks with the ISBN: 9781780224442.
