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Draft of Bassetlaw Bulldogs Rugby League Football Club

Hi, Thanks very much for taking time to have a look at this submission. I really appreciate this. I wondered if you might be able to help me ensure that the sources I use are deemed sufficiently reliable please? The sources I have used include:

Published regional newspaper articles Published editorial content from a registered, long-standing charity organisation Published news stories from the National Governing Body of an Internationally recognised sport

If sourcing of the results is required, the Rugby Football League Governing Body have an online 'match centre' where scores, fixtures and tables are located. (https://www.rugby-league.com/match-centre) However, the specific results and tables for this club can only be seen by clicking the relevant drop down menus - ie Girls Rugby League, Division U13s East B, Club - Bassetlaw Bulldogs

Would you be kind enough to explain why these are not deemed to be sufficiently reliable please? Your feedback doesn't seem to suggest that there is a problem with notoriety here. Is this the case? I hope so as this club is one that has achieved a number of notable 'firsts' in the sport of Rugby League.

Many thanks indeed. Hovispride (talk) 20:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hovispride Hi there, the section "Facilities" is totally unreferenced, and it is concerning because I wonder where the information is coming from. There's supposed to be sources cited at that section. Statements like Furthermore, the Bulldogs club is the only Nottinghamshire-based team who are affiliated with Super League team Wakefield Trinity, with whom they hold Ambassador Club status. which appears to be significant claim needs a citation too. Also, this The Girls U13s team also became the first ever recipients of the Team of the Year award, made by the Rugby Football League. This particular award was presented by Jodie Cunningham, captain of both the England women's national rugby league team and St Helens RFC Women's Rugby League team..
I don't have problems with the current sources, you just need more to verify claims on the draft. Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much for this. I can provide the following types of citation if they would be acceptable:
1. Link to Wakefield Trinity Ambassador club list (https://wakefieldtrinity.com/ambassador-clubs/)
2. Approved Minutes of the local council meeting in June 2022 showing completion of the building project (https://www.eastmarkham.org.uk/storage/2022-documents/APPROVED-08-06-2022-EMPC-Minutes(18-Jul-22_10-05-50).pdf) On the same website, all minutes of previous meetings refer to costs and works.
3.Having already provided a citation on the RFL website for this story, I can add a YouTube video link of Jodie Cunningham actually presenting the award or link to the same story/video on the club website.
Would these be acceptable? Thank you. Hovispride (talk) 22:49, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hovispride The club's website cannot/should not be used. The sources should be independent of the subject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added these to the submission, for your ease of viewing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hovispride (talk • contribs) 23:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, OK, thanks for the clarity. Are you happier with the other citations now? Much appreciated. Hovispride (talk) 08:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In the "Facilities" section, citation #4 is to a google search result page which is inappropriate, find a better source. Citation #5 does not verify the claim of the entire statement before it. If you can't find good sources, I will urge you to let the draft go for now and maybe later on there would be good sources to use. If you still think you will find better sources, then after adding them, you can resubmit the draft so that another reviewer will give it another look. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing, Thanks for your help. I have modified the citations, which should now be acceptable. Are you personally not able to give this another review at this stage? It seems that you have understood the notability of this submission better than others from outside the Rugby League Wiki Project and I am grateful for this. Perhaps now everything has (I hope) been brought up to scratch you are able to do this yourself? Irrespective, thanks very much for your help. Hovispride (talk) 09:41, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Just wondering your thought on above please? Many thanks indeed. Hovispride (talk) 07:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hovispride Hi there, I'd prefer another reviewer to give it a look. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 22:56:14, 7 November 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Boohoolane


Greetings Vanderwaalforces, thank you for the recent notes and review on Jerry Habibi.

I see that the article has been marked as needing more sources. Would you prefer that we remove information so that we can expedite approval? It is imperative that we populate more Middle Eastern / North African / Southwest Asian performer pages with notable credits as it is an under-supported community on Wikipedia (see: status of Iranian sub-communities) and in the Entertainment industry wholly.

We do have some very solid sources from Letterboxd, Hollywood Reporter (Deadline), and more. It is also important to keep in mind that The Persian Version is a struck project - because of this sourcing can be sparce until after the 2023 SAG-AFTRA strike.

Thank you again for your note - please let us know what we can do to ensure the article gets published and we can continue to work on publishing articles on talent from this underrepresented community! :)

Boohoolane (talk) 22:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Boohoolane Hi there, hope you are doing well. Because this is a WP:BLP, every statement made on the article must be backed up by a reliable source that verifies exactly that statement. Where did you get Habibi was born in Dallas, Texas. He is a first generation Iranian-American. His father passed away in September 1997. He attended Plano West Senior High School and graduated in 2015. from? Please add reliable sources that backs up every claim made on the draft. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This info was obtained from IMDb and TMDb as well as a Campus Circle press release. Are those sufficient sources? If so - we can re submit with them added. Boohoolane (talk) 08:08, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Boohoolane IMDb and TMDb are not reliable sources, please see WP:IMDB. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the insight!
It looks like we need at least 2 additional sources. Do these suffice for now? We will make a note of the article needing more sources throughout 2024.
1. https://www.campuscircle.com/tpv/pressnotes/thepersianversion_presskit.pdf
2. https://culturemixonline.com/review-the-persian-version-starring-layla-mohammadi-niousha-noor-kamand-shafieisabet-bella-warda-chiara-stella-bijan-daneshmand-and-shervin-alenabi/
3. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cl7XpgCp_7V/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link Boohoolane (talk) 15:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Boohoolane Maybe #1 can be used, but #2 and #3 cannot be used as Instagram is not a reliable source and #2 only mentions Jerry Habibi once which is not WP:SIGCOV. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great insight again - you rock! Let’s see if we can find another source. How long does this thread stay active? You are a very amazing editor. Boohoolane (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The thread remains as long as new messages comes under it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi - there is a mod basically harassing me and my edits because I am working on making this page (within guidelines) and they removed my contribution to another page that was sourced and would have helped support this one while keeping every other part of my edit.
They then mentioned COI but it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion here. I have no external relationship or anything with anyone, thing, or individual. As stated in this thread I just want to populate more info about Middle Eastern titles and artists so that the community can be better served and these are the first two I am working on.
Do you know what I should do? You can see the Notice they left on my page too. It makes me feel very targeted. Boohoolane (talk) 15:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Boohoolane Hi there. When adding information to articles, you are required to add at least a source that verifies what you are adding. I went through you recent contributions and saw that that was not the case. So, there's nothing targeting about what they did, if someone reverts your edit and you think it is not right, open a thread on the talk page of the page you made the edit on and tag/ping the person who reverted you. This way, things can be sorted out easily. See WP:BRD. Hope this helps. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ty! Boohoolane (talk) 15:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I actually added the original source citation and everything but they went and randomly removed the one sentence Boohoolane (talk) 15:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Boohoolane Don't worry, if you don't want to open a thread, just let it go for now. Maybe you're not entirely correct :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Ty! :) Boohoolane (talk) 15:41, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About article reads like an advertisement

Thank you for reviewing this page and leaving comments.

I will appreciate it if you could help elaborate a bit regarding which part of this article in question that is not advertising reads like an advertisement? JoyceCJZ (talk) 02:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Read Lee JoyceCJZ (talk) 00:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Tugg Wilson

Hi, Thank you for reviewing this draft page, commenting that it is presently not adequately supported by reliable sources. I think the main sources quoted are multiple editions of "Navy News". Understandably, this is a publication few would have heard of, or read, beyond those serving in the Royal Navy. However, it has been published monthly since the 1950s, in its early days in printed form but in the new millennium also digitally. Any of the links on the page will reveal the publication to be of very high quality and considerable size. Its readership was in the tens of thousands because copies were passed around between shipmates everywhere. To the wider community - the public in general - this would have very little penetration, of course, but within the Service editions were avidly anticipated, with readership including a great many distinguished individuals who now have their own pages in Wikipedia. The most prominent such person would be King Charles III, who found himself to be a victim of Tugg's humour while serving as the commanding officer of a minesweeper but saw, and understood, the funny side of it, as recounted on Tugg's page. It seems to me that this page for Tugg could, for example, be compared with a page for a distinguished musician, such as a much lauded concert pianist. The author of a page for the pianist might be facing a similar problem to me when looking for adequately supported reliable sources. That person might find little beyond the musical profession and newspaper concert reviews. Likewise, I have been at a loss to find mention of Tugg beyond the Navy save for brief mention of an association with the off-shore oil industry. But both the concert pianist and Tugg would be at the top of the pinnacle within their fields and both deserving of lasting recognition of their achievements. While the Navy News might be only one of a very few sources, I would like to suggest that the sizes of its editions, its uninterrupted monthly publication from the 1950s until Tugg's death in 2006, and beyond, and its virtually total readership throughout the Navy might be regarded as constituting a reliable and sufficient source in the particular circumstances of Tugg Wilson's page. Thank you.Scribes52 (talk) 05:44, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Scribes52 Hi there, sources are hard to find, I can testify. But, once you can't find a source to back up a claim, it's advisable to remove the claim entirely. If you do that throughout the article, I am willing to accept it if you resubmit. Regards. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will go through the article, examining each claim I have made and do as you recommend. Regards, Scribes52 (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I have gone right through the page and I believe that all claims made are now backed up, Please let me know if I have overlooked anything. Regards, Scribes52 (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: Anu Krishna

Err...several of the sources are about the individual themselves - are not fleeting in appearance. The subject has starred in over 15 widely released films. Could you be more clear on your feedback? Neutral Fan (talk) 12:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Neutral Fan Anu Krishna made her acting debut as a child actress, notably appearing in Bapu's Mahabhagavatham television series as Krishna, and then in Friends (2001) as the sister of Vijay's character. Anu Krishna made a career breakthrough as an actress with her appearance in AR Murugadoss's Kaththi (2014), where she again portrayed the sister of Vijay's character. where did you get this information from? You should not make claims on a WP:BLP and not cite sources, also, remove the YouTube link you used as it is not a reliable source. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
These were part of the reasons it was draftified initially. Fix things up before resubmitting for review. Also, see WP:NACTRESS. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:28, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New Article "Draft" mode; why?

I just submitted a new article, but wanted to omit the "new article" process. Is this under review, or must it be cleared as a new article? Confused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Raven%27s_Wing 36hourblock (talk) 17:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@36hourblock Yes, it is a draft and needs to be reviewed at AFC, you can do that by placing {{subst:submit}} at the very top of the draft and pressing publish changes. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:06, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My 'GTA (Guns Trance Action)' movie not being accepted. Please explain what should I do?

I have been trying to get the movie article get published into main wikipedia. I have been doing several edits to fit into the Wikipedia guidelines, but still my article is not being accepted. Please tell me what I should do to get my movie article accepted. Aaditya SYY (talk) 19:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Getting a Person Article up for a President of a University

I am curious how this draft I am working on Vanya Quiñones keeps getting knocked down as it is notable in the word of academics to be a university president.Wikipedia:Notability (academics) #6 NQAD (talk) 00:21, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A couple more points about your AfC contributions

Hi. You recently rejected Garad Yusuf Mohamud after declining it for notability 3 previous times; however, do note that members of Somali state parliaments do pass WP:NPOL. As there is only one uncited bit, I've accepted the draft; WP:NSUBPOL may be a useful resource for you in helping assess NPOL. Additionally, you declined Doerhoefer-Hampton House as being non-notable; however, buildings on the National Register of Historic Places are considered to be always notable (WP:MAPOUTCOMES). I know firsthand that this is all very complicated and oftentimes contradictory, so no worries.

An additional tip, I would recommend to not decline a draft you have already reviewed more than twice; as mentioned above, you declined/rejected Garad Yusuf Mohamud 4 times and have declined Draft:Vanya Quiñones 4 times. There is no rule for or against this, and you certainly can continue if you want, but it is always better to have multiple different reviewers assessing a draft. Thanks, and keep up the good work! Curbon7 (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Curbon7 Hi there, this is a very straight-to-the-point feedback, and I love it! WP:NSUBPOL is very useful. Thank you for clearing the queue now by publishing them. The main issue with Vanya draft is that it was a copyvio of another webpage which is why it was deleted. Thank you so much and I am happy with this! Regards, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:26, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Ababio

Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

You draftified this article, saying it didn't have enough sources even though it has plenty of sources. It was moved back to main space by another administrator. Before moving an article to Draft space, you should probably check out the page history to see who the article creator is. If they have years more experience than you do, creating lots of articles over years of service, then it probaly unwise to draftify articles they are working on.

You have accumulated a lot of edits so far over the past 3 months but you are still a relatively new editor and it is generally best to trust the instincts of our valued content creators. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:43, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Same comment for Abu Juhayfa although this article creator has less experience than the one who created Isaac Ababio. Liz Read! Talk! 01:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz Thank you for notifying me. I normally check history of pages before taking action though. Maybe I missed this one. Either way, thanks for letting me know. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Review feedback

Hi Vanderwaalforces,

I made some improvements to the draft Vulnerable world hypothesis. Does this address what you meant by original research ? Otherwise, can you give a few examples of claims that need to be nuanced or better sourced, or specific excerpts of what needs to be improved ? I also gave some additional details about the references used on the draft Talk page.

Thanks. Alenoach (talk) 02:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Siege of the Kraków Castle

Hello, can you tell me what the reference is not added to? Why aren't 4 sources enough? Kolya Muratov (talk) 09:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kolya Muratov Hi there, the draft is based on a single source. How so? It's seeming more like an essay. There are supposed to be other sources. It's an article about a Siege for that matter, so more citations are definitely needed. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Ludii

Hi!

This is my first time creating a Wikipedia page, and it's starting to feel a bit frustrating to keep having it rejected without further feedback, despite having worked on the previous points. In particular, I saw that you have just rejected it with the same reasons as the previous two rejections. I have added sources from peer-reviewed journals and news articles, and rephrased part of the page to make it sound less like an advertisement. I have also asked for help here, but no one replied so far.

Could you point out some parts of the page that need to be changed, with some tips on what to focus on?

Thanks a lot for the work you do making Wikipedia the awesome place it is! Fbarbe (talk) 13:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
You did an excellent job with the AfC drive, and I'm impressed by how quickly you learned from the few mistakes I noticed on your talk page messages. Keep up the great work! – DreamRimmer (talk) 03:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DreamRimmer Thank you for looking after me right. Even though there were backlashes welp, I’m glad I learned. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 04:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Grason_Mikal_Ratowsky

Hi, Thanks for looking at my article, though I'm a bit confused at your edits I need to do. You mentioned the article did not have reliable sources but there are significant publications newspapers, travel magazines, Conde Nast publications, Art Newspaper, etc that covered the Artist. I left out many of the additional references as I thought it would be too much because of the plethora of coverage he's had. Could you provide further feedback or point out some parts of the page that need to be changed, with some tips on what to focus on because I don't understand. Thanks for your help! Should I add more to the biography? Artsjournalism (talk) 12:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Artsjournalism Hi there. Try adding more details about the artist. As it stands, the draft only says Ratowsky is a musical artist and that's all. You might want to summarise other things about them from the sources and add to the article. By then, you can resubmit and a reviewer will give it a review. Happy editing, Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:41, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much! I'll give it another go. Artsjournalism (talk) 13:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article declined. Reason not clear. Please elaborate. Thank you.

Hello, referencing: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Society_for_the_Protection_of_Underground_Networks&action=history

your comment: Declining submission: nn - Submission is about a topic not yet shown to meet general notability guidelines (be more specific if possible)

Can you please elaborate? The general notability guidelines state: "When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education. A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

Note these criteria above are clearly met.

Can you please explain. When you write "(be more specific if possible)" - can you please explain what this means? Thank you! Science and such (talk) 14:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Science and such Hi there. It appears you have fixed/addressed my concerns already, so I have accepted the draft. Please add categories to it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,
Seen, and appreciated. Thank you for quick response. Science and such (talk) 18:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ngwa people GA review

Hi there. Could you please clarify how you picked up the review for Ngwa people within seven minutes of it being nominated for GA? Many thanks, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29 Hi there. I was following that page up because I would love to review it against the good article criteria, since Reading Beans told me she will love to improve it to good article status. So, I was literally waiting for it... Do you actually want to review it? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying, I was just concerned if there was dubious off-wiki coordination going on, as sometimes happens. Good luck with the review! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29 Oh great, I thought you were interested in it. Thank you for your concern. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:10, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Phung Pham review

Hello Vanderwaalforces, thank you for reviewing my draft about Phung Pham. I have now shorted it to only the part that can I can find reference. Hope it is okay now but if any further changes needed, please let me know. Thank you so much! Dlnguyen64 (talk) 22:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:RG Qluck Wise

Hi there, I just left you a reply you need to check it and I’ll be willing get back your reply too thanks. Gudwise (talk) 00:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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