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December 20

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 20, 2023.

P. W.

Retarget to PW or delete: There exists many people with an initial of "P. W.", including P. W. Singer, P. W. Vaughan, PW Botha (rugby union), and others, as well as non-people who can also be referred to as PW (see the PW disambiguation page). Silcox (talk) 05:49, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Counter-terrorism Police SubdivisionPolicji

Implausible typo after a move. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Social media forum

These two pages are currently listed as double soft redirects. I'm wondering whether the pages should be kept as is, deleted, or retargeted. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 13:50, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, I see no problems with the both of the double soft redirects. SouthParkFan2006 (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @SouthParkFan2006: For what it's worth, your "keep" vote is moot per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Template:Double soft redirect since {{Double soft redirect}} is being deleted. Letting you know in the event you desire to change your stance on these redirects since they technically cannot remain in their current state. Steel1943 (talk) 02:37, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Per WP:SSRT (and the template documentation), {{double soft redirect}} seems intended for linking to sister projects, not to two different articles. I therefore don’t believe these should be kept as is - on the face of it, I’d be tempted to say that I don’t believe there should be double soft redirects in mainspace. I’ll do a bit more digging and will probably add a bolded !vote later for my preference on retargeting/deleting, but I just wanted to get this here first. Best, user:A smart kittenmeow 19:22, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A new type of set-index/disambiguation-page should be classified to handle multiple sister site destinations in place of double-soft-redirect. (A sistering-page?) -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 05:11, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I’m leaning very weak retarget social media forum to social media, and delete social bookmarking forum (& move the draft currently at Talk:Social bookmarking forum to draftspace). Both terms could be ambiguous (hence why I’m guessing they were created as double redirects), which could cause confusion to readers looking for information on either topic - an X and Y-type situation (potentially engaging WP:R#D1 and D2).
    My reason for very weakly !voting to retarget social media forum is because I found at least one source using the phrase to refer to social media sites (e.g. [1] - ...the social media forum and discussion site Reddit), as well as the fact that an internet forum could arguably be seen as a type/subtopic of social media (whereas I don’t think internet forums are seen as a type/subtopic of social bookmarking, or vice versa). However, I couldn’t find sources that use the phrase social bookmarking forum in a similar way. (Also, the fact that social bookmarking forum may be an {{R with possibilities}} might also make it worth deleting per WP:R#D10/WP:REDLINK.)
    Best, user:A smart kittenmeow 21:02, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget both to Internet forum. Internet forums are a medium of social media, which can be shown via swapping "internet" and "social media" and still communicating the same message. The key identifier in both titles is "forum", placed at the end to conclude both search terms. Without this distinction, "social media" is just a partial match for the full thing. The equivalent would be having "internet forum" target "internet"; it loses a significant part of the search term.
Due to the distinction of "forum" at the end of both titles, Internet forum is a much more distinct target than social media is, which is itself a very vague concept in 2023 that covers thousands of apps and websites. Specifying "forums" implies seeking the forum subset of social media, where Reddit is mentioned as an internet forum at the target page. To my understanding and history with, all forums are social media, but not all social media are forums. Utopes (talk / cont) 09:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Definitely do not keep as double soft redirects per Smart kitten. I don't find Internet forum a useful target - bookmarking is not mentioned, and the reader doesn't get info on social media forum. Weak retarget social media forum to social media per Smart kitten, infact weak refine to Social media#Definition and features, otherwise delete. Delete Social bookmarking forum as unclear, unless there is a target that talks about it. Move talk page to draftspace per Kitten. Jay 💬 13:29, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: On a related note, I just nominated Template:Double soft redirect (a template used on both of these nominated redirects) for WP:TFD at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Template:Double soft redirect. In addition to questioning this template's utility with these redirects, I'm questioning the template's utility on Wikipedia at all. Steel1943 (talk) 19:48, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Template:Double soft redirect was closed to "delete", meaning any "keep" or "no consensus" result in this RfD discussion with no changes to the redirects is technically invalid, considering the nominated redirects both currently transclude {{Double soft redirect}}. Steel1943 (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Might as well relist this, considering that both of the nominated redirects transclude {{Double soft redirect}}, which is currently being deleted per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 December 12#Template:Double soft redirect. In other words, there really should not be a lack of consensus (such as what traditionally happens with a "no consensus" close of a discussion) since the redirects technically cannot remain in their current state.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 02:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:SPECTRUM

Recently created shortcut that hasn't been used anywhere. I'm created this RFD because I highly question the need for WP:SPECTRUM to point at a bot-dictionary entry about the very niche concept of the spectrum/threshold of usefulness, and cluttering that entry with a hatnote pointing at WP:AUTIST like was done here.

This shortcut should be retargeted elsewhere, possibly at WP:AUTIST, or deleted, IMO. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete at the least per nom. Izno (talk) 01:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I have a use for it, even if you don't. Whether to have a hatnote at that glossary entry (I removed it again for you since you object to it) has no bearing of any kind on an RfD discussion. There is no deletion rationale here. I wouldn't terribly mind if it were retargeted to the same place WP:AUTIST goes (the place the hatnote referred to), but I'll just end up creating some other shortcut for that glossary item anyway, since I have use of one. PS: "Hasn't been used anywhere" is never a rationale for deleting or usurping a new redirect, since they're all always not used yet right after they are created.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:48, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd suggest WP:USEFULNESS if you need one. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:34, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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