Talk:Keto

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Diets

The article that happens to reside at the title Ketogenic diet is about a dietary therapy for refractory pediactric epilepsy.

The article at that title is not about ketone-producing diets for weight loss or just because you want to. The voluntary lifestyle/non-medical diets happen to be covered at Low-carbohydrate diet and No-carbohydrate diet.

Even though people often use the same name for both diets, they are definitely not the same thing. There is a big difference between choosing to eat a high-fat, very low-carb diet, and putting your kid on a growth-stunting diet that means that he absolutely has to eat exactly one egg, two egg yolks, and half a cup of whipping cream for breakfast – whether he feels like it or not, whether he's hungry or not, and nothing else, even if he's still hungry at the end of it – while knowing that any deviation could set off potentially deadly seizures. These simply aren't the same subject, even if some people use the same name for them.

Talk:Ketogenic diet/FAQ has more information about the differences. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly looks like they are two separate things. Just to double-check though, is the Ketogenic diet referred to as simply "keto"? -- Fyrael (talk) 07:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The non-medical/currently trendy diet is routinely called "keto" in reliable sources (e.g., fitness magazines). The medical/epilepsy-focused diet is usually given its full name in reliable sources (e.g., peer-reviewed scientific journals). I assume that in everyday speech, people use the shorthand for both. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So we don't have any evidence at all that the Ketogenic diet is called "keto"? There really needs to be some mention of that abbreviation for us to include it, as suggested by WP:DABABBREV. I'm going to remove it for now, but if you find anything to support the abbreviation I'd have no problem with the entry. -- Fyrael (talk) 05:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I get irked by this strict separation of low carb versus ketogenic diets. I have got the impression that there is a strong smell of political attitudes. Some get accused for supporting commercially motivated, low fat high carb nutrition guidelines unsupported by evidence for 40 years with catastropic results (obesity etc..), They get accused back for serving the meat industry by suggesting low carb high fat nutrition being more healthy. I suspect the wikipedia pages on these subjects have become part of the fighting ground and suffer from it.

Luckily there is a move by congress towards demanding more evidence based guidelines. May be we will see the result in the next issue of the nutrition guidelines for Americans (in practice for all the world) in the 2020. I believe we vikipedians should be vigilant against editing attempts with political overtones (recognizable by use of biased adjectives, loaded terminology, turf wars, defense of social truths rather than scientific truths). We should accept only the references showing very strong evidence (f.ex. scientific journals rather than magazines, double blind studies, rather than meta or population studies). We should also demand understandable reader friendly and fair descriptions.

Let us demistify ketogenic: it is just another low carb diet on the low side of a sliding scale, very low side in order to achieve the effect quickly since it is not dangerous (like some medicines are) and I do not know where you have this "growth-stunting". Cobanyastigi (talk) 15:29, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to be blunt, but almost none of this has any relevance to this page, which is simply a WP:DISAMBIGUATION page. Any talk of politics and what is or isn't healthy belongs on the article talk pages, if anywhere. This seems to boil down to two scenarios, both of which result in Ketogenic diet not being an appropriate entry:

1) The conclusions from last year are accurate and these are largely separate concepts, but sources suggest that the therapy is not referred to as "keto" and so it doesn't belong here.

2) The statements directly above are accurate and the therapy is just a specific variation/permutation/instance of the low-carb diet. In this case, it is both not a separate topic and not referred to as "keto", so it doubly doesn't belong. -- Fyrael (talk) 16:22, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]