Talk:Leatherface (2017 film)

Sourcing

Apparently, there is a major difference between how I see sources and how Koala sees them. There is currently a source being used to cite a production start date of March 18. This was originally sourced by SSinsider, which does not appear to pass the kosher test for reliability. It's a website run by 2 people, neither of which appear to have any form of credentialing or identifiable experience in the film industry as reports or direct film workers. Their "partner" sites are even less reliable and there isn't any obvious editorial oversight. The date was then replaced with this source from Den of Geek that cites this article from Deadline as their source. First, we don't cite sources that cite other sources....we go to the original source for the most reliable information. Now, Deadline is considered reliable generally, but Deadline did not actually say production started on May 18. There is no reliable source confirming this specific date. We know from pictures that filming began in May, but not what specific date. These sources need to be removed and it needs to be changed to "May 2015", which is supported by reliable sources.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:32, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

As long as a source, even a genre-specific source, has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy, we can pretty safely assume, no matter what inspires their publishing, that they check what they publish before they do so. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 00:26, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Article Needs Updating

The production portion of this article is now outdated considering it is now December and filming was said to continue trough June. There should also be information on the film's release (when it is scheduled to be released) as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Updates?

Has there been any new updates on the film? It is slated for a 2016 release but the exact date has not been announced as far as I can tell.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC) The film is slated for an October release in 2016.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

2016

When was this film ever confirmed for a 2016 release? Smells like original research to me. DarkKnight2149 19:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

IMDB release date

Before anyone tries to add "2 January 2017" as the release date, you should know that IMDB is not a reliable source and that Bloody-Disgusting has just confirmed that that supposed release date is fake ([1]). So unless you have a reliable source, please don't try to add it. DarkKnight2149 00:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm suspecting that this is just going to do direct to video or it's going to be release in a film festival, if not it may not even be release.--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

According to this new report, the hold-up has something to do with The Blair Witch's poor box office. Given that Leatherface is completely finished, it would be unwise for Lionsgate/Millenium Films to not release it. I think VOD sounds likely. Of course, cancellation is also a very realistic possibility. DarkKnight2149 20:53, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

We should probably include that into the article since it's important. I'll talk to you more about expanding the L:eatherface article tomorrow when I have the time.--Paleface Jack (talk) 04:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

New plot details [2]. DarkKnight2149 21:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

New References

Here's some new references(will add more later):

http://deadline.com/2015/05/leatherface-nu-image-cannes-bus-657-i-am-wrath-1201420765/

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/leatherface/246002/nu-image-adds-leatherface-to-cannes-market - Don't know if this is trustworthy or not.

http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3414334/texas-chainsaw-massacre-prequel-leatherface-finally-dated-release/

http://horrornchill.com/news/leatherface-release/ - Possibly untrustworthy.

Missing information

I'm going to look for sources pertaining to the film's extensive reshoots and substantial delay in terms of release. Right now, the only one we have is Bloody-Disgusting stating that it may have had something to do with Blair Witch underperforming. DarkKnight2149 19:39, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Some of the information in this article will need to be added to the userspace for my Leatherface expansion article. Here's the link if you don't know where it is: User:Paleface Jack/Leatherface (Revision)--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: Will do. I've been doing a lot outside of Wikipedia, but rest assured that lending aid to that article is still on my to-do list (as is addressing this bit of feedback). DarkKnight2149 22:00, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Trailer

I'm not sure if it's even notable enough to create a "Marketing" section (probably not), but the trailer is out now. DarkKnight2149 17:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I think it is, as long as there are enough news outlets that announce it as well.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:46, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Persistent original research (Cast section)

Despite the fact that we know the film is a mystery regarding who becomes the killer ([3], [4], [5]) and that it isn't publicly released until September, various IP addresses/users have been trying to add "Jedidiah Sawyer" and "Leatherface" to Sam Strike and James Bloor in the Cast section without any link to a reliable source. I added these notes to Strike, Bloor, and Sam Coleman in an attempt to stop or slow these edits down, but it hasn't seemed to work. Honestly, the only other thing that I know to do if it continues is request page protection.
It should be noted that, back in early 2015, Sam Strike was initially reported to be playing Leatherface, before the whole mystery angle was clarified by news sources. This might be where some of the rumours are coming from. DarkKnight2149 00:56, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Images

I was thinking if we are going for making this article GA and possibly FA status we will need to find some appropriate images to use in this article. I was thinking for the development section we could use an image of Gunnar Hanson since the quote about Leatherface's characterization and inspiration is partially based on Hanson's quote.--Paleface Jack (talk) 15:36, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: That's certainly possible. One thing that I was think of was potentially including images of Lili Taylor and Stephen Dorff side-by-side in the Reception since they seem to be getting praise from the both negative and positive reviews, similar to this image at Friday the 13th (2009). Just a thought. If we use the Gunnar Hansen image, we could probably use the quote and citation as the image caption. DarkKnight2149 01:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I just tested the edit. Which is better? The image or the quote box? Tagging all users on Talk Page: @Paleface Jack: @Bignole: @MichaelQSchmidt: DarkKnight2149 01:02, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

If you're going to use the image, you shouldn't have all that quoted text in the image caption. I would summarize it for the caption, with key points, and use the text itself to enhance the rest of the section. Otherwise, don't use that image. As it was, the text was almost as large as the image itself. A general rule of thumb is that your caption for you image shouldn't contact anything that isn't in the article.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:46, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Would this experimental edit be any better? I was also thinking about using an image that visually connects the actor to the character, such as this image or this (with the same caption and placement). Those two image upload suggestions are cited to Getty Images and are probably non-free; best to avoid that agency like the plague. DarkKnight2149 16:07, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Try it and see. If a better image comes along we'll be sure to use it.--Paleface Jack (talk) 03:47, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Negative reviews!

Just noticed how the rating of the film on Rotten Tomatoes keeps on getting lower and lower. Hopefully it stays positive and doesn't go below 60%, it really looks like it could reinvigorate the franchise.--Paleface Jack (talk) 20:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: As someone who has to wait until October to watch it, I'm honestly not sure what to expect. The film seems to be very divisive by both critics and fans. Some are saying that it's the best TCM films since the original, some are saying that it's one of the worst, and some say that it's just alright. I have a feeling that this going to be one of those films like Man of Steel or Prometheus, that everyone disagrees on. DarkKnight2149 21:27, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully not, although I'm not sure what to think at the moment. Hopefully it's more positive.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:54, 24 September 2017 (UTC) (As the rating continues to drop on Rt) Stupid critics. My guess is their comparing this to the original film instead of judging it on it's own terms. Has happened to many a film unfortunately.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: I watched it yesterday. To be honest, I was actually very disappointed. I wasn't expecting it to be as good as the original, but I was unsatisfied with the origin and how it ended. When the credits rolled, I was thinking "Wait, that's it?" To each their own, though. Have you seen it yet? DarkKnight2149 00:53, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Did the story make sense for the character?--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

@Paleface Jack: As a whole, the movie itself wasn't a disaster by any means. However, at 90 minutes, the film was just too short. Without spoiling anything, the directing, acting, and writing are all good (it also has great cinematography and atmosphere), but it feels incomplete. Most of the plotlines and characters felt underdeveloped and like they needed more screentime. The reason I found the origin itself to be unsatisfying is because it's overly simplistic and doesn't address a lot of Leatherface's character traits (he transitions from human to full-on monster very quickly).

After all the delays, it feels like the studio got nervous and interfered, removing a lot of material to reach the standard 90-minute runtime of a Texas Chainsaw Massacre film. It could easily benefit from an Extended Director's Cut. If you haven't seen it yet, it is available to rent on V.O.D.. DarkKnight2149 18:53, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I bet you it will get an extended cut.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

DVD/Blu-Ray Release

I found a couple of news articles claiming that Leatherface will internationally released on DVD/Blu-Ray on 19 December 2017, with images of alleged cover art and everything. This is just from today. Are these sources legit? Source 1, Source 2 DarkKnight2149 02:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The strange case of Leatherface's international box office

I'm not sure if anyone has been following the edit history enough to observe the mystical adventures of this film's anomalous international box office, but the reported earnings keep fluctuating up and down. Have you ever seen a movie make less money over time? Yeah... I have no idea what is going on with that. My best guess is that the initial reports over-estimated how much the film earned and they just keep adjusting it. Either way, this is odd. DarkKnight2149 01:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Cannibals?

As far as I remember, the Saywers were supposed to be cannibals. Why are they feeding their victims to their pigs?--2003:6F:8C56:5115:5DA7:BFCB:535:32C8 (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

The cannibalism was heavily implied in the original, but is almost never referenced in Texas Chainsaw 3D or Leatherface (hence why we shouldn't mention it in the article). On the Blu-Ray special features for Texas Chainsaw 3D, they outright admit that the studio was afraid of controversy after another film they made received backlash for including cannibalism, so they dialed it back.

In contrast, Leatherface was made more gruesome in response to fan complaints that Texas Chainsaw 3D wasn't violent enough (though still suspiciously devoid of cannibalism). DarkKnight2149 07:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. Great information.--2003:6F:8C56:51E1:6593:474E:FBCD:92EB (talk) 09:47, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

It's interesting that fan's wanted more gore considering the original had almost none, it was all suggested.--Paleface Jack 21:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, a lot of fans said the same thing when the MPAA censored the third film (1990) as well. If I had to speculate, fans have come to expect more gore since most of the sequels don't have the sheer insanity that the first two films did. DarkKnight2149 22:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Leatherface (2017 film)/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Aircorn (talk · contribs) 23:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in finding a reviewer. I will look at this over the next few days and leave a review. AIRcorn (talk) 23:36, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry was without my home internet for a while, and somehow I also lost the review of this article I had started. I am back online now s hopefully can get it up again soon. AIRcorn (talk) 09:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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My main concerns are with the plot and reception sections. I have left some comments below the review. Not all relate to the criteria and some are just general questions. However some expand on what I have written here and will need to be addressed before i can pass the article

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

   Some comments below, but apart from the overuse of quotes the prose is pretty good

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Not liking the Daily Mail source. Others look OK. Twitter is sourced to one comment, but it is a secondary source and attributed so that is fair enough. My main concern is the overuse of quotes in the reception section. They are a copyright concern when used this often. It also makes it a slog to read, which is a prose issue.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Not sure about the detail on Clarice relative to the other characters, but this is a minor issue.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

   Looks fine to me

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

   Seems to be some persistent vandalism that has lead to page protection and the current dispute has a clear consensus so no issues for me here.

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   One non free image with valid rational. Others seem fine and appropriate

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   Holding for now

Passing now all issues dealt with. AIRcorn (talk) 08:00, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Comments

• This review is labelled GA2, but I can't find GA1. Is it lost in a page move? I would like to check it if it exists.
  • Helped That appears to be a glitch. A few months ago, another user started a page for a GA review, but it was deleted because something came up and they didn't have time to review the article. This should be titled GA1. If someone could move this page, that would be useful (however, it might also cause another error). DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Maybe Vanessa Grasse could be redlinked. She is probably notable enough to have her own page one day.
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise (TCM) Is TCM supposed to be a abbreviation for the whole franchise or just the Texas Chainsaw Massacre part.
  •  Resolved Yes, it is supposed to be abbreviated like that and it's an abbreviation for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise/brand in general. The reason that it's there is because that's how the writer and other sources refer to it in exact quotes. Marvel Cinematic Universe articles use similar abbreviations. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • I can't find it in the sources listed for that sentence. I don't have a problem with ussing TCM it just seems strange to place it after the franchise. It essentially means further down at Leatherface is a mentally disabled serial killer seen throughout the TCM franchise it is essentially saying "Texas Chainsaw Massacre franchise franchise". Are you sure it shouldn't be "It is the eighth film in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre (TCM) franchise." AIRcorn (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
      •  Done DarkKnight2149 02:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Lionsgate and Millennium Films lost the rights to produce future Texas Chainsaw Massacre films because of the delay I am assuming this means the delay in releasing the film. Maybe it could be made clearer.
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Some of the links in the plot section seem strange. Not sure why birthday party is linked but not matriarch. Normally I would find chainsaw strange too, but in this case it is probably appropriate.
  •  Done I linked matriarch. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to address this concern. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• I feel the whole plot needs some work. I have not seen the movie and found it quite difficult to follow. It needs some streamlining. I am not sure it is useful to keep the big reveal on who Jeb is until near the end, especially as we start it with him. It felt like the beginning was a bit redundent. Some of the detail seems non-essential and just distracts from the flow. There seems to be a lot about Clarice and Ike and their importance to the story is not really clear. What is the significance of her scarred body? There is a Director Lang and a Doctor Lang, I am assuming they are the same Lang, but it is a little confusing. Some of the flow doesn't seem to make sense, how did Elizabeth end up handcuffed in the car? Why did she scream out? Who shot Clarice? See Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary for more advice.
  •  Done I just noticed that some crucial details were inexplicably removed from the plot by Nusrat21 while I was on Wikibreak (which is probably why it was hard to follow). I restored it to its original form, while also modifying and streamlining it. Let me know if this works. If not, I will rewrite the entire section from scratch. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Much better. A minor point. AIRcorn (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
      • Jedidiah crafts Hartman's and Elizabeth's flesh into a mask and dons it to a mirror as he applies lipstick. This sentence needs a copy edit
        •  Done DarkKnight2149 02:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• Ideally we should avoid the WP:Dailymail.
  •  Done The character information in the source is backed by the film itself, so I should be able to remove the source without issue. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Some of the cast descriptions duplicate the plot
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• The Lizzy section has a lot less info than the others for a key character
  •  Not possible That's because there isn't very much information on her character (or how the actress prepared for the role) available, outside of what was in the film itself. Believe me, I searched vigourously for sources pertaining to this film. What you have to keep in mind is that the film was shelved for over a year without any announcement, received little marketing, and then ended up going straight to V.O.D. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• In contrast there is a lot of info on Clarice.
  • Helped Yeah, oddly enough, the filmmakers were very forthcoming with BTS details on Clarice (probably because she was originally intended to be a female version of Chop Top, a fan favourite character, and because they thought about using her as a red herring for Leatherface). I divided the longer Cast and character biographies into paragraphs, and removed some of the repetition in other sections. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• The fictional Deputy Sorells Why say fictional?
  •  On hold An attempt to avoid WP:INUNIVERSE. Should I remove it? DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Is their a real Deputy Sorrels that we need to worry about? If not then I would as there is no confusion that we are not describing a character in a fictional movie. It seems out of place to me. AIRcorn (talk) 16:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
      •  Done I changed it to "The character of Deputy Sorells", but I can change it to "Deputy Sorells" if you prefer. DarkKnight2149 02:53, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• the father of Sally Hardesty and Franklin Hardesty Would father of Sally and Franklin be better instead of using Hardesty three times? Also might need some more context as too who they are.
  •  Done I used the phrasing "the final girl and her brother" to avoid WP:PROTAGONIST.
• The Mark Burg quote is quite long. In fact many quotes go into multiple sentences. In these cases it is usually best to paraphrase and then selectively quote. If long quotes are needed they work better in quote boxes so the flow is not interrupted so much
• Needs a better intro for Sherwood.
  •  Done To the best of my ability. He only has a few film and TV credits to his name and isn't very prolific.
• referring the project simply as Syntax is out
  •  Done Changed to "instead believing it to be" DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Once Sherwood is introduced with his full name you can just use Sherwood for the remainder of his mentions
  •  Done Let me know if I missed any. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• Seth M. Sherwood was announced to write the film That doesn't read right.
  •  Not done Can you please specify the problem? Because that was when he was announced to write the film. If I change it to "Sherwood was hired to write...", that could be factually incorrect, because writers are often hired months before they're announced for a major upcoming film. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • It just reads a little strangely to me. What about "On August 13, 2014, it was announced that Sherwood would write the film, under the title Leatherface." It does beg the question of who did the announcing. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
      •  Done DarkKnight2149 20:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• Julien Maury and Alexandre Bustillo were hired to direct the film,[46] who admired its distinction in narrative from the series' Same here
  •  Done → "...who admired how different it was from the previous installments." DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• In March and April 2015, Sam Strike, James Bloor, Stephen Dorff, and Jessica Madsen joined the cast, respectively I am not sure respectively works with so many people over uneven dates
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• cars modeled after that of the period after that of the?
  •  Done Does "Cars modeled after the time period" work? DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• with the creation of Leatherface's first flesh-mask cited by Sherwood as his personal favourite Not sure what that means
  • Helped The kill resulting in the creation of Leatherface's first flesh mask; the person he made his mask out of. I reworded it to "with the one resulting in Leatherface's flesh mask cited as...". Because Sherwood was light on spoilers in the source, it's impossible to know if he meant Hal Hartman's death or Elizabeth's death. The mask was half of Hartman's face and half of Elizabeth's face. Remember that it was cited much earlier in the article that Leatherface wears masks of human skin. It's what he is iconic for, next to the chainsaw. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Okay. Still a bit vague, but I follow now. Not sure how to make it clearer in the article though. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
• building a realistic cow carcass Is this relevant to the plot? I don't remember reading about it, but if most of the budget was spent on it it might warrant a mention. If not there here maybe?
  •  No action Not enough for it to be mentioned in the Plot. It was just something that happened briefly while the characters were on the run from Hartman. It's relevant to the Filming, since that's where a huge chunk of the budget went. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • Still wondering if some more clarification could be added here. It is interesting to me at least that a large portion of the budget went into what seems a minor scene. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
      •  Done Building a life-like prop of a human or animal corpse and making it look real can be quite expensive. For instance, a lifelike corpse for a dead character was used in Saw IV, and it took a huge chunk of that film's budget. I reworded it to make it seem a little more clear to try and avoid confusion for readers.
• Some repetitive stuff in continuity. It might be better to move some of this around and condense it some. Thinking specifically of Chop Top, but there may be others.
  •  Done Let me know if I missed something. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• afraid that they wouldn't make back their investment after another film underperformed Not clear how this relates to Leatherface?
  • Checked It means another film made by the studio underperformed, causing them to get nervous about releasing Leatherface. Sherwood isn't the only person who believes this, as news sources similarly reported that the underwhelming box office of Blair Witch caused Lionsgate to get nervous. This sort of thing isn't entirely unheard-of, as Paramount reportedly had similar reasoning for cancelling Friday the 13th: Part 13 (which was supposed to come out 13 October 2017). I agree that this reasoning for cancelling/shelving the two films is dumb, but apparently the Hollywood suits don't know any better. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• I am confused by what the January 2017 release means. Te long quotes don't really help. Can it be summarised better.
  • Helped It means pretty much what it says. I paraphrased the second quote, shortened the first one, and reworded some of it. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• and wide distribution via Video on demand Does Video need to be capitilised?
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
• There are too many quotes in the Critical response section. See Wikipedia:Copyediting reception sections for advice on how to make these sections read better.
  •  Done DarkKnight2149 21:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
• The referencing formatting has some article titles in all caps. Is this intentional?
  •  Resolved Yes. The titles that are in ALL CAPS are only the ones that are in ALL CAPS in the original sources. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
    • I am pretty sure we can make references into a consistent style. However this is not a GA requirement so no biggy. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
      •  Done I'll went ahead and reworked all of the ALL CAPS titles. DarkKnight2149 20:13, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

This is coming along nicely. Let me know when you have the reception section done and I will finish this up. AIRcorn (talk) 08:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• I am happy that this meets the Good Article criteria so will pass it. There is a "that that" in the reception section. Although grammatically correct it is a bit of a distraction. Not a GA issue, but more a general comment. All in all a nice article deserving of being ranked Good. Congratulations, and I am again sorry you had to wait 9 months for someone to review it. AIRcorn (talk) 07:58, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Not a slasher film

I am adding this because Ironman7777 keeps routinely adding "slasher film" to the article without a citation to a reliable source (disregard the troll sock puppeteer that keeps spamming the article with Maylasian IP addresses... And occasionally impersonation accounts). This results in what is gradually becoming a slow motion edit war, and he seems to be the only good faith user still adding this. At this point, it's become clear that Talk Page discussion is needed before this actually does get out of hand.

While all of the previous Texas Chainsaw Massacre films were slasher films, Leatherface is very different from the other films and it doesn't even follow the "killer taking people out one-by-one" trope that defines the slasher film subgenre. In fact, the only point that this film even remotely resembled a slasher film is during one scene at the end, where Leatherface chases Lizzy. It was clearly an attempt at trying something different, and we even have sources in this very article from the directors, writer, and producers all saying that "doing something different" was one of their main goals.

Likewise, I can find no reliable sources that say this film is a slasher movie. The only source for a subgenre I was able to dig up was when the directors called it a "brutal, disillusioned road movie." That honestly sounds about right. Most of it is about teenagers running from the law after escaping a mental institution. Besides a single chase scene, the plot had nothing to do with a killer picking people off one-by-one. That comes later in the timeline... When the Leatherface character exists and is actually killing people. I'm not criticising the film, but it's definitely not a slasher. DarkKnight2149 18:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree. Unless a reliable source turns up that says otherwise then the slasher category shouldn't be add.--Paleface Jack (talk) 21:15, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Red linking Vanessa Grasse

This is a late response to the edit summary ping here. I reviewed the article for GA status and suggested then that Grasse should be red linked. First I want to make clear that this is in no way a requirement for passing GA. It was more a suggestion for how I thought the article could be improved. To my mind it is a big enough release that one of the main starring actors should be notable enough for their own article. There seems to be enough sources [6] that if someone was interested in creating the article it would probably survive deletion. Anyway the guideline is at WP:RED and editors here can decide if she merits one or not. AIRcorn (talk) 21:55, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Tagging: @Scream4man: (Sorry for the late tag; I haven't been on Wikipedia much lately due to time constraints) DarkKnight2149 05:22, 1 December 2018 (UTC)