Talk:Boz Scaggs (album)

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Boz Scaggs (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ojorojo (talk · contribs) 17:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Interesting choice. Based on a couple of readings, I think it meets the criteria. Give me a couple of days to check the refs, etc., and I'll formalize the review. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Using Bill Mankin's very enjoyable album review may run afoul of EL:NO #11: It's unclear if he is a staff writer subject to editorial oversight or otherwise a recognized professional. All that I could find is the liner notes in Freedom: Atlanta Pop Festival (also very enjoyable). Could other sources be used instead? —Ojorojo (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

   The original album liner notes list Scaggs as the songwriter for "Loan Me a Dime". AllMusic mentions the lawsuit by Fenton Robinson (Scaggs[1] & Robinson[2] bios), that apparently lead to a change in the credit. In the 1960s, oversights like this were a sore spot. Is there a reason for not covering this? —Ojorojo (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

   I'm a bit confused by the sentence "About halfway through the track, Scaggs stops singing, and begins a guitar duet with Allman." Would you please add a link to the RS article or copy the relevant passage(s) (below the review if too long). —Ojorojo (talk) 15:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

   These points are addressed in the discussion below. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

3. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

4. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

5. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Thank you for reviewing this article! I'll admit, the only reason I know about this album is from the Rolling Stone 500 list. Ultimately I'm glad I listened to it. I wouldn't call it one of the greatest albums ever made, but I'd definitely give it a solid 8/10, possibly 9/10. I wanted to contribute to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/500 project, and this seemed like a relatively simple article to fix up. Unfortunately it had to unfortunate problem of not only being called Boz Scaggs (which makes search inquiries rather annoying to specify), but also not even being Scaggs' most well known album. There's probably some more info in some of the Duane Allman biographies, but for now, the info in this short article meets GA criteria. Now to address your issues.

• Using Bill Mankin's very enjoyable album review may run afoul of EL:NO #11: It's unclear if he is a staff writer subject to editorial oversight or otherwise a recognized professional. Unfortunately, Mankin's review is the most comprehensive source for this album I could find. His review is the only source that mentions the lyrics, the track "Sweet Release", the 40 minute jam session, how the album was ignored by listeners upon release, and the various reissues. I've tried to used other sources when I could, but removing the Mankin review would remove some vital info from the article. Mankin does cite Scaggs for some of the more contentious info though.

Works for me. He's in good company – Experience Hendrix always uses pros for the liner notes on its releases. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• The original album liner notes list Scaggs as the songwriter for "Loan Me a Dime". AllMusic mentions the lawsuit by Fenton Robinson (Scaggs[3] & Robinson[4] bios), that apparently lead to a change in the credit. Thank you for bringing this up, I was not aware of this! According to this forum post, Fenton never actually sued Scaggs, but instead sued his publisher, which never payed him the royalties. It's kind of confusing, but all of the reliable sources I could find say Fenton sued Scaggs for songwriting credit and won. A lawsuit was definitely filed by Fenton, but it's unclear who was sued.

Yeah, I saw that. Don't want to overemphasize the point in the article, but maybe identifying Fenton as the songwriter (similar to Rodgers for "Waiting") can be included. A brief "When the LP was released, Scaggs was listed as the songwriter, but later reissues credit the song to Robinson" and the full title "Somebody Loan Me a Dime" could be tucked in somewhere. It would give the credit due and explain the discrepancy, while sidestepping the unclear lawsuit issues (and hopefully forestalling the pecksniffs). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

• I'm a bit confused by the sentence "About halfway through the track, Scaggs stops singing, and begins a guitar duet with Allman." Would you please add a link to the RS article or copy the relevant passage(s) Here's the passage:

But not this time. "Loan Me" makes it all the way. Boz's vocalizing seems relaxed and mournful at the same time; and then, midway, the singing stops and the cooking begins—horns soaring (the same figure over and over), organ romping along, drums pushing, and some spine-tingling guitar work by Duane Allman. That guitar fools around with the horns part of the time; and they seem to prod it into new inventiveness the rest of the way.

Huh, I could have sworn it mentioned a guitar duet. Altered the passage.

I read "duet" somewhere, but I think it was in reference to the brief section when Scagg's vocals are "answered" by Allman's guitar licks. A very minor point that would not be missed. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Add the bit about the song credits and we're good to go. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ojorojo: Alright, took care of that. Think we should be all good here. Famous Hobo (talk) 22:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

All done. Good work. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)