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A fact from Claudia Chamorro Barrios appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 December 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Claudia Chamorro Barrios married on the birthday of her assassinated father?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:18, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Claudia Chamorro Barrios married on the birthday of her assassinated father? Source: "The date for Tuesday's wedding was not chosen lightly. It would have been the martyred publisher's 62d birthday." (NYT)
- ALT1:... that once an art gallery director, Claudia Chamorro Barrios became involved with the Sandinistas after her father was assassinated? Source: "She was an artist, the director of an art gallery ... But her father's assassination in 1978 plunged the family into revolutionary politics ... Claudia Chamorro, who had become a Sandinista activist, remained loyal to the movement. In the 1980s, she served as a negotiator for the junta..." (WashPost)
- ALT2:... that Claudia Chamorro Barrios was director of an art gallery before she joined the Sandinista National Liberation Front? Source: "She was an artist, the director of an art gallery ... But her father's assassination in 1978 plunged the family into revolutionary politics ... Claudia Chamorro, who had become a Sandinista activist, remained loyal to the movement. In the 1980s, she served as a negotiator for the junta..." (WashPost)

Reviewed: Sean Cole
Comment: Not sure which is best: trying to thread needle between sensitivity to a living person (maybe ALT0 and 1 are a bit exploitive of family tragedy?) versus the difficulty to capture nuances of her politics in the space of a hook—she is now a vocal critic of the FSLN. Very open to suggestions!

Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, well-written and with reliable sources. QPQ done. No copyvio detected. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I understand the hesitancy, but I believe they are respectful and relevant to her biography. Good to go with any of them, although I'm slightly inclined for ALT2. —Alan Islas (talk) 18:13, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your input, Alan Islas – it’s true that the family gave interviews to international press about her wedding, so it’s not like we’re treading on private or even low profile information. In that case let’s go with ALT0—right now there is a great deal of political strife in the country so I’m reluctant to write about her work for the FSLN without clearly indicating it’s in the past. But that gives me one more idea, if you don’t mind checking it:

ALT3... that in 1986 when Claudia Chamorro Barrios stationed in Costa Rica as the Sandinista ambassador, her brother Pedro Joaquin was there too—as a spokesman for the Contras? Source: "Two of the four [siblings] live in Costa Rica, assigned there for opposite reasons. Claudia...is the Nicaraguan Ambassador, charged with defending the Managua regime. Pedro Joaquin works there editing Nicaragua Hoy, and also serves as a spokesman for anti-Sandinista rebels supported by the United States." (NYT)

Not so snappy? And maybe not clear enough, for the general reader, that the people in question are Nicaraguan? Whichever of these remaining hooks you think is better. Thank you for all the help! Innisfree987 (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Innisfree987. I liked that ALT1 and ALT2 are hooky and give an idea that she was only driven into politics due to tragic circumstances. But I see what you are saying, the implications or Sandinismo are very different now to what it was when she joined, and there is no space in the hook to explain comfortably. ALT3 describes a very interesting situation in family dynamics, but unfortunately it might be a bit clunky. From those two as they are I'd stay with ALT0, it does lack context but one hopes it would catch the reader's interest and prompt them to read the article. I also would be ok with ALT3, perhaps with a bit of simplification like this (just a suggestion):

ALT3a: ... that when Claudia Chamorro Barrios was a Sandinista ambassador in Costa Rica, her brother Pedro Joaquin was a spokesman for the Contras? Alan Islas (talk) 04:12, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging review which is not yet complete. Yoninah (talk) 17:44, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Yoninah—we are all set now, I agree with Alan that trying to jam as much history as I’d like into ALT3 makes it too clunky. Let’s go with ALT0. Many thanks to Alan_Islas for working with me on this and for improving the entry as well! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:18, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Restoring tick for ALT0. Yoninah (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this. The article could use more organization, even if the subsections are short. A cite is needed for the last paragraph per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 22:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Yoninah, that sentence is cited now and I made an effort to divide into two sections although it feels a little strange to me to describe events that begin in someone’s 30s and include more schooling as “Later life”—see if you think it’s better or if it’s best to go with one section with longer paragraphs like this. (I wouldn’t revert directly to that because I made some other improvements but it would be easy to move the paragraphs back that way.) Thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Better organization would be:
1. Early life and family
2. Political career
3. Personal life
Right now it's all jumbled up. Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I gave it a try and for me it’s not jumbled but rather that those things are intertwined in her life, and hard to separate out as you suggest without significantly expanding the entry, which would take some time (likely needing more Spanish sources which are slower for me). The citation issue is fixed and now the “Biography” section is only 320 words, which seems like not too much to ask of the reader. To me it flows organically and the reviewer also felt it was well-written so perhaps as a Start class entry it can stay as it is? Innisfree987 (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Restoring tick per Alan Islas's review. Yoninah (talk) 22:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]