Talk:The Lords of Salem (film)

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I think this article deserve it's own page as the film is shooting right now according to Rob Zombie's official facebook. --Bls2009 (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I started it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Differences between the book and the film

I noticed that these have been removed from the article and I'd like to campaign for them to be re-added. The issue is that I thought that listing the differences would be a better way to highlight the different stories between the book and the movie without actually creating a separate page for the book entirely. There is enough coverage to warrant its own article, but I thought it'd be more efficient to have a separate section for differences and highlight that the book is essentially the same plot-wise, but with a few key differences here and there. The main story, that Heidi is slowly being stalked and used as an incubator for the anti-christ is the same, but the way it's laid out is different.

Whitey plays a far smaller role in the books, while Herman is more of a major character. Heidi is also, notably, not in love with Whitey like she is in the movie. Herman is also there when the end events (the witches' dance) occurs, and I think Whitey is as well. Heidi is heavily implied to die in the end, given that they pretty much rip the baby out of her akin to how they did with the pregnant lady in the movie, whereas in the film she has a relatively normal vaginal birth (despite giving birth to a monster) and survives. We have more detail about Heidi's past as a drug addict, including mentions of why she's listening to the French tapes- a detail that was not included in the movie. There are also more unseen hauntings that were not in the movie and vice-versa. The historian, Francis Matthias, does not die in the book. One other big difference is that the information about the witches is given, for the most part, at the beginning of the book. More detail is given to the people that caught the witches and the whole process (ritual being witnessed, more character development for Rev. Hawthorne, more detail on the side characters such as the Magnus brothers that were largely not seen in the film) is more elaborate.

Why I think this is so important to elaborate on is because Zombie has mentioned in several sources that the book is very different than the movie and that the book was the version that he wanted to - but couldn't- film. It was deleted as WP:OR, but it was taken straight from the book. It's not exactly original research and sections on the differences between a book and a film are pretty standard. If needs be I can list the pages for each thing, but trust me- I'm not creating things up on my own. It just seems a bit redundant to create a separate article for the book when it'd be better to have the differences summarized in a paragraph and put in a subsection for the book. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

• I do see where someone came in and gave a pretty awful description, but here's what I'd originally had:

While the basic story is the same for the movie novelization, there are some differences between the two works, such as more detail about Heidi's background as a drug addict. The book opens with a longer sequence for the events in 1692 and begins with the women cursing Hawthorne and the town's descendants, whereas this is brought up later in the film by way of Hawthorne's diary. Francis Matthias does not die in the book, while Heidi is implied to have died in the end of the book as a result of the demonic pregnancy and birth. There is no radio announcement at the end of the book about a mass suicide, nor about Heidi's disappearance. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 04:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes I was the one that removed it, as it was really poorly written and completely unsourced. The section is completely appropriate for the article, however it music be sourced to reliable sources as anything else is original research. STATic message me! 04:41, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

BJ scene

Someone altered this to where they made it sound like the blow job scene was consensual. I'd really prefer that they come here and explain how they saw that scene as consensual. I don't mean to sound harsh, but at no point was that blow job consensual. What happens is that she goes into the church, gets comforted, then suddenly the priest starts acting crazy and begins to force her head down into his lap. Heidi tries to pull back, but he forces her head down until the scene cuts away to her waking up. It's written to be sexual assault, both in the book and in the movie. I'm just baffled as to how that could be seen as willing in any form or fashion. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 17:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)