Talk:Oleh Tyahnybok

Galicia???

What is so relevant that the three oblasts in which he won 5% of the vote make up Ukrainian Galicia? It suggests that Galicia (including Polish Galicia) is also more nationalistic then the rest of Europe. If editor meant that Ukrainian Galicia is more nationalistic then the rest of Ukraine this should be explained, now it looks like random information. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 12:28, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way the Ukrainska Pravda maps sugest that Viktor Yanukovych is more populair in Galicia then Tyahnybok. So this Galician 5% vote does not says much to me anyhow. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:04, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Yush it nationalistic as well, so trend fits, no? --Львівське (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I think that fact was put up by some native of Sevastopol or some one like Tabachnyk who state that Galicia is not Ukraine, otherwise it does not make any sense at all. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The Salute

What? No photo of Tiakhnyok doing the Nazi salute? It took me five seconds to find three using Google. Remember wikipedia scholars (contradiction in terms?), a picture is worth a thousand words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.126.220 (talk) 06:00, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Tiakhnyok's Great-Grandfather?

The article includes sources that state that Lonhyn Tsehelsky is his great-grandfather but this is incoreect if widely reported; Lonhyn was the brother of Tiahnybok's great-grandfather Ihnatiy (a priest). Which makes sense, because Lonhyn moved to the USA and stayed there his entire life. Ukrainian wikipedia has the family tree here. Article about Tiakhnybok's actual great-grandfather: [1].Faustian (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

A source misleaded me, thanks for the update, the Lonhyn Tsehelsky article now needs to be changed too :). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 16:59, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

far right in lede

I removed it since opinion does not belong in a lede, and how "right" something is is entirely subjective (especially since in the case of Oleh, he's been the voice of moderation and center-leaning of the party). To look at a comparable WP:BIO, le penne of the "far right" National Front: "Marine Le Pen (French pronunciation: ​[ma.ʁin lə.pɛn]; born Marion Anne Perrine Le Pen; 5 August 1968) is a lawyer by profession, a French right-wing politician and the president of the Front National (FN)"

Nowhere in her lede does it call her far right, and neither should be the case with this bio.--Львівське (говорити) 00:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we go by WP:Reliable sources. If reliable sources classify this party as far-right, it is far-right. No matter if you like it or not. "Far-right" is a valid category in political science. And WP:Other stuff exists is not a valid argument. This is a Wiki, so other articles may have flaws as well. This does not justify to make the same mistakes here. --RJFF (talk) 09:08, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Svoboda is indeed a far-right party. However, according to prominant expert Kost Bondarenko: [2] (a reliable source) Tiahnobok is among the pragmatic less-radical members of the Svoboda party. A clarification would be helpful, so I'll make it.Faustian (talk) 14:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Reliable sources for something so specific and subjective needs to be clarified and attributed. It's not a unanimous label. Some sources say right, some say far-right, some say neo-fascist. All 3 are on the 'right', but each would come from a particular POV, depending on the author. MOS states that labels such as these should be attributed. This is a BIO as well, he's a party leader, it doesn't need to be qualified as 'far right'.

Also, as I've stated before (as as Faust eluded to) he's among the more moderate of the bunch, and if you follow Svoboda's history, he's pushed further to the center-right beginning with the name change when he took over. While they were absolutely undeniably far-right radicals for years, this applies less and less with each year - so much so that the media are even discussing this shift.--Львівське (говорити) 00:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

In case he does well in the Ukrainian presidential election, 2015..........

A few polls since early 2011 can be found below and might be usable for future expansion of this Wikipedia article.

— Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:16, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

No I am not a rabid Ukrainian nationalist... but you might suffer from a Calimero complex......

I just undid an edit by Bensimo. Trying insults to bypass Wikipedia rules is weak; please read WP:UNDUE + WP:NOTEVERYTHING and see that I am right. 1 journalist comparing Mr. Tyahnybok with Mr. Jörg Haider is simply not enough. Assume good faith please. I know that because the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and Russian Tsar's where so manipulative people in Eastern Europe sooner assume "bad faith" then the average Westerner. But just because somebody does not agree with you does not mean there must be something wrong with them...

Besides if I was a rabid Ukrainian nationalist why would I have made this edit or this edit. Please do not confuse trying to create a neutral point of view Wikipedia article with "sugaring" ; if you feel this article is missing some important info please add it with the use of references (but keep in mind that what some individual members believe/say of Svoboda does not necessarily reflect the opinion of Svoboda nor the opinion of Mr. Tyahnybok). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

And please Bensimo, read more carefully before you make an edit and accuse me of being "one of these Ukrainian nationalist types" because I inserted the Ukrainian and Russian Cyrillic names of a person in an Wikipedia article. I do believe a hard core ethnic Ukrainian nationalist would never have done that... I am an consensus editor (see here). Sometimes I get it wrong; I admit that. But I do believe I did not get it wrong in this Wikipedia article nor in the Wikipedia article Dnepropetrovsk maniacs. You need to bring real arguments on the table instead of personal attacks. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, thanks Yulia - just remember that wikipedia has nothing to do with Ukrainian nationalism. Bensimo (talk) 20:59, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Glad we can leave this behind us! Thanks for trying to improving the Neighbourhood. I know that Wikipedia is not a propaganda tool for any "-ism" but mistakes will be made (also on Wikipedia and also by me...); hence I have placed this Userbox on my user page:

Everyone has points of view with inherent cultural biases - recognition is the first step to achieving NPOV.

— Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• • Good work Yulia! Bensimo (talk) 21:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

— Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Neo-Nazi, Ultra-Nationalist, Anti-Semite, denied entry to US etc etc etc

The coverage on Tyahnybok and 'this' wiki entry have changed to fit the changing narrative of the global western media. It's an uphill fight considering the number of persistent and well-organized "editors" on Wikipedia who are relentless in their pursuit of propaganda under the guise of "neutral POV". Nevertheless, here is some source material BBC, Ny Times, and JTA, who were against the fascist/neo-nazis in Ukraine (specifically Tyahnybok) before they became for him. Do with it what you please or ignore it, its whatever: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20824693 || http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/world/europe/ukraines-ultranationalists-do-well-in-elections.html?_r=0 || http://www.jta.org/2013/06/27/news-opinion/world/ultranationalist-ukrainian-political-party-leaders-banned-from-u-s This page should be tagged "Orwellian".UnifiedLeft (talk) 21:45, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Never worked as a surgeon

Please remove category about surgery. He is a politician (right wing ppopulist) and have no experience in surgery Ethan Hawley (talk) 12:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)