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October 2021

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April 2024

Hello, I'm Tim O'Doherty. I noticed that you recently made an edit to 2024 Scottish government crisis in which your edit summary did not appear to describe the change you made. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 14:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true AFAIAC. I have changed the inflammatory title for obvious and stated reasons and made a number of corrections due to accuracy, which have been stated. I am not aware of any oversight on my part in not explaining any such and given the poor title and these corrections, I am not inclined to pander or discuss the need to do so, which should be obvious. This conversation ends here. Andrewjmoran (talk) 14:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit summary was misleading. You did not request a move, you did not perform a requested move. You, despite my telling you, moved it unilaterally and to a title that made zero grammatical sense. That is why you have been warned. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 14:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true AFAIAC. I have changed the inflammatory title for obvious and stated reasons (including neutrality) and made a number of corrections due to accuracy, which have been stated. I am not aware of any oversight on my part in not explaining any such and given the poor title and these corrections, I am not inclined to pander or discuss the need to do so, which should be obvious. This conversation ends here. I don't need YOUR permission to make CORRECTIONS to accuracy and to maintain NEUTRALITY. Andrewjmoran (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrewjmoran However, obtaining community consensus is essential for executing a page move, particularly for an article addressing the current political landscape of an entire nation. Starting a discussion on the proposed page move would have been advisable, in my opinion. Regards and yours faithfully, MSincccc (talk) 18:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, it was clear in the first place that this would not be achieved, so consensus was never on the cards. Whether that's because some are biased or simply do not understand Scottish politics enough to understand the problem, I have offered a solution that is being ignored.

I challenge you all, and some of you for far from the first time (which tells its own story), to find something objectionable about the proposed change of title to "The events leading to the resignation of Humza Yousaf as First Minister", or to something close to that which I would not object to. Then we should have a consensus. Andrewjmoran (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CONCISE, WP:THE and MOS:JOB are policies and guidelines which rule out that title, or something close. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tim O'Doherty I had left a message on your talk page regarding Cameron's article, in case you have overlooked it. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 20:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Policies and guidelines do not rule out anything. They can have exceptions. That's why they are not called rules (which can also have exceptions, but generally rarer).

Your objections do not hold water. You're just being obstinate. And get off my page. Andrewjmoran (talk) 20:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some unsolicited advice

Hi @Andrewjmoran, this is a friendly word of advice about the discussion on Talk:2024 Scottish government crisis. Regardless of the merits of your position, you are coming across as uncivil and the accusations of bias and bad faith are disruptive. Please read and internalise Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Civility. If you carry on like this it is likely you will be blocked from editing, which isn't going to help you implement the changes you want. You will have much more success making arguments based on what sources say, and not based on what editors' motivations and opinions (including your own) might be. I am sending you this message in the hope that you can overcome the frustration of editing in a contentious area and become a productive editor. A lot of new/inexperienced editors flame out when hitting that frustration, and that's a loss to the project. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 12:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the advice but frankly the criticisms are valid. The issue with the sources are that they themselves are biased and you can't quote sources about something that didn't happen. If some news sources are crying "crisis" or "Government falls", there simply aren't other sources saying, "No it isn't and hasn't". They just ignore the spurious claim and describe it in a more matter of fact way. Whilst I'm not that new to wiki, to be honest I'm still fairly inexperienced. I've not had an issue like this before and it really needs mediation. Someone needs to take the overall view that Wiki suffers from using sensationalist headlines as titles, especially when they have biased undertones. And it is only the title that remains objectionable. The fact that these people will not budge on issues of pedantry over bias, tells its own story. Andrewjmoran (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]